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77 yr old Mexican Rancher Stands Up to the Cartel

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by FourteenMiles, Nov 23, 2010.

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  1. FourteenMiles

    FourteenMiles Well-Known Member

    You often hear people say something like "If you are mugged, just hand over your wallet, is it really worth taking a life over?"

    The obvious question though is where does it end? A wallet, car, house, livelihood?

    Many of us interested in self defense would prefer to cede nothing, we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees. At least we like to say so.

    When Don Alejo Garza Tamez was told to hand over his ranch to the cartel within 24 hours or face the counsequences he refused. He told them he would be waiting for them. Those that knew him said this Rancher was known for keeping his word.

  2. elcaminoariba

    elcaminoariba member

    A true hero. What you work for your whole life is worth defending. We need Americans with this mentality. I'll bet ten bucks that one or two of the old man's guns is illegal in Mexico but the government and media don't dare admit it. This will cause Mexicans to demand their God given right to bear arms be restored in Mexico.
  3. Erik M

    Erik M Well-Known Member

    I think I read that he took out 6 of the men attacking him before succumbing to injuries. I wonder what weapons he used to defend himself.
  4. Zoogster

    Zoogster Well-Known Member

    Good story.
  5. garymc

    garymc Well-Known Member

    It surprises me to find that any of the thugs were willing to risk death in such a situation. I guess they risk death if they refuse to follow orders too, though. What idiots. They killed this guy, got 4 of their own killed and they don't have the ranch and I suspect never will now. I hope his example inspires others.
  6. o Unforgiven o

    o Unforgiven o Well-Known Member

    I would think that a man of that age only had the weapons he was good with, and when it comes down to it that is all one really needs.
  7. BaltimoreBoy

    BaltimoreBoy Well-Known Member

    "It seemed hard to believe that one person, armed only with hunting rifles, had caused so many casualties on the attackers."

    Like they always say: bullet placement.
  8. Sky

    Sky Well-Known Member

    Shame he did not have a few RPGs.
  9. parsimonious_instead

    parsimonious_instead Well-Known Member

    A great story of a man of honor defending himself and all that he has built against men with no honor at all.
    I nominate this guy for Kirchner's next "Deadliest Men" book if he's in the process of writing one.
  10. ultradoc

    ultradoc Well-Known Member

    God bless him
  11. MrOldLude

    MrOldLude Well-Known Member

    He's dead, the cartel isn't. What's there to stop them from moving onto that land in a few months when things have cooled down?

    He might have given them a black eye, but they still won.
  12. bthest86

    bthest86 Well-Known Member

    It is definitely a loss for that cartel. (Los Zetas most likely)

    They're fighting a war of psychological terror and when everyday people stand up to them like this then it is a blow to their strategy. The Don is going to be a national hero. They lost far more than whatever that old ranch would have brought them.
  13. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Such folks show an alarming naivete. If you are being mugged for your wallet, chances are you are being threatened with lethal force. At that time, the wallet is inconsequential. It is only the catalyst to the situation that brought the mugger to you, but to defend yourself is not for defending the wallet, but to defend yourself against a lethal force threat to you. Your life is in peril at that point and you fight to keep your life, not to protect your wallet.

    If anyone should have considered if their life is worth the wallet, it is the mugger.

    Nothing is going to stop them on the Mexican side. The cartel didn't get a black eye, really. They lose people with some regularity. Even if they did get a black eye, they also have left a very strong message. When they demand your property, you must give it over or you will die and the cartel does not care what it costs to make that happen. They don't value your life and don't value the lives of their own people...and that makes them a considerable force with which to be reckoned.

    What is even worse is that they will potentially search out and find the man's family and seek retribution against family members for his defiance...even if the family members had nothing to do with the incident.
  14. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    And since the behaviors of Mexican cartels is not an appropriate topic for THR, this one is done.

    This might have made a decent S&T topic, if anyone wanted to actually approach it from that perspective.
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