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9mm defence cartridges

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Treefrog23, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. smalls

    smalls Well-Known Member

    1.Find what's commonly available in your area.

    2.Go pick up a few boxes of the most common

    3.Go try each in your gun.

    4.Of those that run 100% in your gun, do research on penetration/expansion.

    5.Buy the cheapest that meet your satisfaction in the penetration/expansion department.
  2. 71Commander

    71Commander Well-Known Member

    If I bought factory defense ammo, I would buy Federal for the simple reason that their primer is the softest and less likely to have a FTF because of a bad primer.

    That being said, I have bought some Corbon PDX ammo and taken them apart, changed the primer to Federal and put them back together.:p
  3. Hit_Factor

    Hit_Factor Well-Known Member

    Brian, that solves all of my problems. I also carry Corbon, but Federal offerings are considered for the primer alone. I'm going to give that a try after deer season.
  4. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    Feel exactly the same way.

    The person is asking our input on the nuts and bolts of ammunition selection, not how to shoot someone or where to land shots or anything philosophical.
  5. MIL-DOT

    MIL-DOT member

    Took the words right out of my mouth, this perfectly sums up what I was going to post. I have several,(gold dots,HST's,etc.)but I really like the Golden Sabres simply because they're the most economical (usually by a good margin).
  6. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Well-Known Member

    I'm with those that say it doesn't matter that much as long as it is reliable in your firearm. I don't even think accuracy is a huge deal. Pretty much any of them are going to shoot as accurate as you can, and if you can put your hand over the group at any reasonable handgun range, say 25 yards and under, that is plenty of accuracy.

    I prefer penetration over expansion and tend to favor moderate to heavy for caliber bullets to this end. But the bottom line is that all modern JHP from the old Win Silvertips and Federal Hydrashocks on to the more modern PDX and HST loads from the same companies, respectively, as well as the aforementioned Gold Dots and whatever, are all designed to perform to FBI specs in their tests. So it is no surprise that most of them perform pretty similarly. Pick one that is reliable and shoots to the same point of aim as your practice ammo and rest comfortably at night.
  7. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Well-Known Member

    Oops. Double tap.
  8. RBid

    RBid Well-Known Member

    Hydra shocks are an old design. I recommend against using them. I've seen a few tests where they didn't expand, at all. There are too many other options to put money into this round.
  9. aguywithagun

    aguywithagun Member

    9mmforMe -- I checked the walmart site and don't recall seeing any 9mm hollow points. Is that something that I can only find in the brick and mortar store?
  10. Treefrog23

    Treefrog23 Member

    Thank you all for your input. From consensus opinion it appears whatever your gun will handle, whihc makes perfect sense. Example: I have a Ruger SR22 that will not work with anything other than CCI, so I was able to eliminate a number of brands. From you input, I'll just do the same with my 9mm's.
    Thank you for your help.
  11. easyg

    easyg Well-Known Member

    In standard pressure rounds I like the 115g Winchester Silvertips.

    For +P rounds I like either 124g Speer Gold Dots or 124g Winchester PDX1 rounds.

    I think that if you want a heavier round than 124g then you would probably be better served with a .40 or .45 caliber pistol.
  12. aguywithagun

    aguywithagun Member

    i use CCI in my m&p22. mini mags for target shooting but i also have some speer gold dot hp 22lr velocitor. are speer and cci the same company?
  13. CZ57

    CZ57 member

    Most of the better 124 gr. +P loads will meet minimum depth of penetration requirements. For that reason I would use the 124 gr. +P that will provide as much energy as possible to go with the necessary penetration. The SPEER 124 gr. +P Gold Dot is one of the best but there are some very good loads being made by firms like Underwood and DoubleTap. The real question is are you up to practicing enough to master the slightly higher recoil you'll get from one of these loads. For a very thorough explanation of wound ballistics I'd suggest you read up on it at: http://www.btgresearch.org/wb.htm ;)
  14. conw

    conw Well-Known Member

    Hah. So true.
  15. coolluke01

    coolluke01 Well-Known Member

    It does depend on the gun you are shooting. And more on the size than anything. +P in a short barrel is pointless. Lost of muzzle flash and not a big gain in velocity. I shoot 147 gr Ranger T's in my G26.
    If you are shooting a gun with a longer barrel then the light and fast could be better.

    The Ranger T's preform very well. You will get the penetration needed and they have very wicked sharp petals! These things will do serious damage!

    Look for tests of each ammo in a barrel about the size of the gun you will be shooting them from. 12"-14" of penetration is the goal. Read the posts on the does energy count thread. Don't get hung up on energy of the bullet. This is not a very good way to judge the effectiveness of a round. There are far better numbers to look at when researching rounds. Penetration is the main thing to look for. Expansion takes a back seat to penetration IMO. Expansion will allow you to have a slightly better chance of hitting something vital. In the case of a bullet with petals, they will work around and cause bleeding when the subject moves but this won't help much in the short term.

    Shot placement is key. There is no magic bullet and one stop shots are not realistic. 80% of handgun wounds are survived! We shoot to stop the threat and that means shots to center mass until it stops. Only a hit on the central nervous system and the brain can cause a guaranteed immediate stop. Spend more money on range ammo than SD ammo!

    I have found Ranger T's for .50c each. This is much cheaper than some "premium" SD rounds. Don't fall for the hype and go with what is proven to work.
  16. primalmu

    primalmu Well-Known Member

    Geez guys, looks like you all didn't read my whole post. I said that to emphasize that you need to find a round that your gun likes and that you are accurate with. I don't care how effective XYZ brand ammo is if your gun jams or you can't hit anything with it.
  17. coolluke01

    coolluke01 Well-Known Member

    I would never carry and trust my life to a gun that will only shoot some brands of quality ammo. Also ammo is not an excuse for missing.

    Any recommendation I would give on ammo would be assuming that you would be shooting them from a gun that has a good reputation and will shoot most any ammo.
  18. Okiegunner

    Okiegunner Well-Known Member

    For myself...

    Hornady Critical Defense, 115gr FTX, or , Federal HST JHP.
  19. CZ57

    CZ57 member

    Flash is overblown since the majority of the manufacturers use powders that are treated for it. Fast and light would be 115 gr. +P or +P+. 124 gr. is the standard 9mm bullet weight. You may lose some velocity in a short barrel with 124 gr. +P but 147s for the most part are already subsonic and will also lose velocity. The one thing of note to take away from the "Does Energy Matter" thread was the link to BTG Research. Two PHd physicists with the latest research that debunks some commonly held beliefs such as a heavier bullet always being a better choice and mistakenly based on the "penetration only" theorums.

    The one shot stop data has in fact been proven to be pretty conclusive according to BTG who debunk its debunkers like Fackler, Roberts and MacPherson. Shot placement is still the key and you shoot until the threat is stopped. I don't know of anyone who recommends otherwise.
    http://www.btgresearch.org/wb.htm ;)
  20. wrc

    wrc Well-Known Member

    I prefer Federal because I have the most rounds of their LE/SD ammo through my equipment.

    I am most comfortable with the 135gr +P "Tactical Bonded" (LE9T5), but I also use the 124gr +P "HST" (P9HST3).

    I have good secondhand accounts of most Winchester Ranger-T offerings.

    If you're using quality ammunition, you're usually in a good place. The most important thing is to make sure that your chosen ammunition feeds correctly and hits where you want it to. Some guns don't work well with some ammunition, and you need to check beforehand.
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