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9mm defence cartridges

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Treefrog23, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    More venom, huh? What a great way to make your point.

    So much for logical debate- now you're going with insults and demands that I leave.

    Who's having a "fit" now?

    Now we are seeing the "real" CZ57, aren't we? What took so long?
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2012
  2. C0untZer0

    C0untZer0 Well-Known Member

    The problems with M&S premise, assertions, and methodologies fall apart without help from Fackler.

    So Fackler is an axe-grinder - so what - that doesn't doesn't turn Marshall's pile of statistical maunure into a diamond.

    The FBI is still using 147gr rounds for their nines and I don't think it's because they're under Fackler's spell. The FBI has smart people working in the bureau, it’s not like they just put on their big boy pants yesterday when it comes to ballistics and bullet performance.
  3. CZ57

    CZ57 member

    Well, I don't know of any agency that M&S have guided through 3 ammo failures, do you? Since the .40 S&W Glock is standard issue for the FBI, how many nines do you think they're actually using? By all means, follow the lead of the FBI. I'll stick with the agency that has more actual gunfighting experience. After retiring their revolvers and going through a transition where the 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP were allowed for a few years, the Texas DPS is using a round that tends to agree with Courtney's research and the .357 SIG has not failed them. ;)
  4. CZ57

    CZ57 member

    Funny! I state a FACT and you call it venom.

    And asking you to go away was not a demand. It was wishful thinking. ;)
  5. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    For someone who makes this claim-

    -you certainly seem to have a personal investment in proving M&S to be legitimate.

    For all the whining that you do about axe-grinding-

    -you sure do your share of it.

    Since you seem to find axe-grinding to be the hallmark of a poor argument, can we assume that your perspective applies to your axe-grinding, too?
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