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A Happy Clash Of Culture & The Hoped For Great Escape

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by CGofMP, Oct 3, 2003.

  1. CGofMP

    CGofMP Active Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Well, bout time I post something again....

    It has certainly been an interesting quarter. I just returned from what officially ended my summer a little bit ago... an eye-opening trip to another country... and I was just awestruck by what I found "out there".

    I guess it is true what they say... you really do not know your own country until you have visited another. From my experience this summer, it most assuredly appears to be true.

    I live in California... was born and raised here and saw the area I live turned from the last bits of orchard into "Silicon Valley" where you can see office buildings and asphalt in every direction for 10 miles or more. My family stock were true 49ers, folks coming over the great expanses of the United States hoping to work their tails off and make it rich. My Great Grandfather owned a small gold mine that barely paid the bills in the dry southern section of highway 49 and he, my grandfather and his brothers worked long and hard to make end meet. They were no more afraid of personal arms than they were of hard work. My Grandmother came from similar stock. She carried a 22 rifle in her wagon (with her little brother) each day as she went to school. They were taught how to be polite, respectful, and to not tread on other people's rights.

    Ahhhhh... I envy them... a time when things were simple, when the mad rush of simply making ends meet did not take up almost all of the waking hours. A time when going into the mountains with your friends to hunt was not looked upon as a scourge or as a social cancer. Hunting was accepted and owning a gun was not something to be apologetic for. Common courtesy was the norm and not a truly remarkable exception. They did not expect others to pay their way, and except where THEY deemed it appropriate to help, they were not expected by society to pay for anyone else. They helped their neighbors and stopped to help strangers when they saw problems.

    Until my trip, I no longer thought that this sort of thing still existed. In the rush and bustle of Silicon Valley where people are constantly trying to impress you (and anyone else who will listen) with their obvious wealth, where working is not longer a means to feeding your family, but is a social measure of who has the most plastic in their wallet and who has the biggest SUV.... In a place where people are 'plasticy' and fake it seems to be the norm to act rudely and not give a damn about your neighbor or strangers. In short, we have forgotten what life is all about.

    From a Californian's point of view in Silicon Valley, the old fashioned way of life is largely anachronistic... gone, extinct. If you see someone in need of help on the road, pass them by for they may be dangerous! If you do not have a car less than 5 years old people wonder about you. Homes LITERALLY cost 500 thousand to 1 million dollars. Middle class? Its a thin line...

    Of course then there are the Statewide politics... California passes the most INSANE laws known to man. We now will give ILLEGAL aliens an official identification document called a driver's licence. We pay them welfare and house them. We pay for their schooling and for their medical bills. Our taxes are out of sight. Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, extra gas taxes, school property tax assessments, and that names only a few of the ways they steal what we have and redistribute it to others.

    Bureaucrats rule the day here.... 100s of examples could be given, but just as an example ABAG (the bay area pollution control bureaucracy floated a very serious proposal to make it illegal to use fireplaces a few years back because it 'pluted the atmosphere'.. how that did not pass I don't know but it was a miracle it did not. Elected officials can hide behind these appointed droids and pass social and political agendas and be un-assailed at the voting booth because they have an excuse... a panel or committee they can blame.. never mind they approved the appointments.

    Politicians are scared to death to take a constitutional stand and when the BEST that the GOP can produce votes for is Arnold Schwarzenegger whose most conservative statement is that he wants to repeal a car tax which was trippled last year and enact "sensible" gun laws.... well lets just say that the very BEST here is way sub-par.

    Californians in our elitist wisdom send our representatives out to legislate for the rest of the country. I opine that the 'cream of our crop' are some truly societal DREGS like Feinstein, Lee, Minetta, and Boxer who, again in my opinion, are leftist elitist parasites who do not even believe in their own message (Feinstein reportedly has a concealed handgun permit). We send these people to legislate, nay to FOIST laws on our countrymen - which while acceptable to the liberal sheep in California - are the antitheses of what the citizens of other states want to accept. Yet the politicians in other states are forced to barter and trade away THEIR citizens rights to get California reps to support their pet projects. Our reps, who have never driven the great expanses of the 'fly over' states DARE to make laws which while unconstitutional as they may be could have a modicum of ill-formed logic in the inner city have NO PLACE as laws where neighbors are acres or miles from each other.

    One of the worst things however is the culture here against firearms and firearms owners. To admit to being 'into' any sort of firearms sports is to be branded as a potential violent criminal. You are looked down on in this valley much the way people USED to look at those who had Venereal Disease (STD's). If you are a hunter, so much moreso. You kill little animals and nature's creatures?!!?!? What scum you must be... your caste is somewhere beneath those who sell drugs to grade-schoolers. Many times being known to even own a gun make the soccer mom ban her kids from playing at your house.

    I could go on and on and on... but suffice it to say this snapshot of life in the San Francisco bay area particularly in Soccer Mom hell (silicon valley where 4WD SUV's never see so much as a dirt driveway) is not too far from reality. Since my trip, I have grown to feeling that this 1 degree at a time polluting of our collective societal norms is totally untenable.

    You see I have traveled to another country... one where freedom still has a slippery foothold and one where law-abiding gun owners are not societal pariahs. I have decided that I NEED to escape California for a place where people still act like human beings to one another instead of being immersed in a morass of Orwellian-style minions who are HAPPY about having big-brother's cameras on every corner.

    I was amazed when I was outside of California that when I spoke of guns or hunting that this sport was accepted and was in fact encouraged.... most everyone I ran into had a friend who hunted or shot and or they did it themselves. No tears, no hushed tones, no apologies... it's just how it is there.

    Most of the people I met were 'real'. They may not have been fond of you but they were polite for the most part and in almost all cases fairly decent folks. I have NO illusions that everyone is like this... nor do I believe that moving out of here would be a panacea where the whole world is sunshine, happiness, and joy. It would require hard work, sacrifice, and tenacity.... but gawd it would be worth it.

    I found places where the taxes were not nearly as overwhelming as here. I am used to adding 8.5 percent in my mind to all purchases. Such a small thing as paying for a gallon of Prestone and realizing I did not need that extra dollar out to pay for tax was somehow a minor epiphany... "It does not HAVE to be like it is at home!" If only things were like this in "my 'country'".

    I must tell you that I really enjoyed my trip to Utah, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.... this trip "out of my country" showed me that there still are some places where things have not completely devolved into a socialist and elitist driven society. I was forced at one point to stay with semi-strangers because the car lost a water pump. I figured it was incumbent upon me (since they had small children) to let them know that I had a handgun and wanted a safe place to store it (having no CCW/CHL for these places) being 'California-brainwashed' I asked in a hushed and an almost apologetic fashion, but to them it was no big deal at all and they noted that they had guns safely stored too.

    (Note: Even the small-town mechanics did not try to totally soak me for all they could, and gave this 'California tourist' a decent deal on the repairs.)

    In short, I should not be taken aback by this experience but I guess I was. It was a very positive culture shock for me. People that have some of the same old fashioned cultural and political values that I do were not hard to find in these places. This is juxtaposed to this area of California where finding like minded people is like finding gold in a septic tank.

    In truth, in many of these rural areas I felt 'at home' instead of like a porcupine in a condom factory.

    I do not know how I will do it... my 'official' job skills are computer related and even those are extremely limited and are specialized to the point of absurdity... but somehow I am going to find a way to escape this bastion of mental-illness and find a place where taxes are low, where homes are affordable, and where I do not need to be concerned that my state representatives are trying to do away with my rights.. at least not on an hourly basis and where things are more laid back and hard work is rewarded but is not the sole measure of the family.

    Who knows... I may even someday get a 'shall issue' CCW or even a class 3 toy....

    Well, I can dream right?

  2. Black Snowman

    Black Snowman Senior Member

    Sep 3, 2003
    Kansas City, KS
    After being exposed to California, even being half a nation away, I've already sworn off even visiting the place. I litterally turned down a contracting job there that would have put thousands of dollars in my pockets just because I didn't want the state to get any of my money.

    It's sad to hear I'm right but glad you got to see there is still hope.

    Best of luck to you! Telecommute? :D
  3. Pendragon

    Pendragon Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Austin, Texas
    I do hereby certify and bear witness that the above account is a true picture of what California is like.

    CA is all of those things and more. Charles, there really is another world out here.

    When I was weighing whether to stay or go, I had a list. The only things in the "good" column were "weather" and "family". McClintock is right - California's geography makes it a total paradise, but government has so ruined it and made it unliveable that neighboring Nevada and Arizona which are DESERTS are thriving - mostly on business and talent driven out of the golden state.
  4. Bostonterrier97

    Bostonterrier97 Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    I lived in "Silicon Valley" and in Santa Cruz, CA for years. It is actually worse than what the original poster wrote..it really is..

    Now I live in Riverside..it is better..but it is still in **********...

    One of these days..it is off to Arizona..just a quick jaunt out and across the border...
  5. USAFA

    USAFA New Member

    Sep 10, 2003
    Californian in exile
    Get out ASAP

    There isn't a single good reason to stay in California (except maybe the beaches). I had to join the military to get out for good, the damn state kept sucking me back, but now that I'm gone I'll never go back. I'm still technically a resident (at least until I can get stationed in Alaska) and I still vote absentee, thus my "Californian in Exile" status.
  6. scotjute

    scotjute Active Member

    Jan 15, 2003

    Please continue to vote as long as you remain in Calif. Best of luck to you in the future.
    Remember when I went to a small religious college had a room-mate my freshman year who was from Calif. He had never heard of the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville.
  7. Rickstir

    Rickstir Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Close by the Elk Fork of the Salt River
    I used to say it was a great place to visit, but not anymore. My wife has kinfolk there so we probably will go back for a short period. I can pick seminars in my job and I refuse to go to CA for anything. I live in one of those "other countries" - Missouri - and now we have CCW which makes it even better. My wife and I decided to abandon the city and live on 80 acres 6 miles from a small town. This time of year (leaves on the trees) we can't even see our neighbor's dusk-to-dawn light. I have a shooting range right outside my back door. There is a Budweiser distributor 60 miles away that keeps the local stop-and-rob's cooler filled. It doesn't get ANY better than this. :D
  8. Holly76201

    Holly76201 New Member

    Sep 16, 2003
    TEXAS !!!
    CG, I hope you manage to escape soon.
    Any chance of telecommuting?
    How about Dell Computers in Austin? Austin's not my Favorite place in TX, but at least it's IN TX.
  9. DF357

    DF357 Member

    May 26, 2003
    PR Mass
    please do not .....

    keep asking Kalifornians to leave !!!!

    The smart ones will do it on their own ! Sounds like CG is about to be on his way. The rest we do not want spreading out like a virus on the remaining good states and polluting what good stuff there is left in this country with their leftist thinking. We need to control those people and put them in one space where they can be watched and isolated from the rest of the 'right thinking' people. Eventually Kali will crack and fall into the sea and our problems will be over but only if we can get and keep them all in one place !!!

    Omigod!, I can't believe I'm saying this and I'm living in Massachusetts!
  10. Daniel T

    Daniel T Participating Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Austin, TX
    Good luck. I've been working for Dell on and off for the last 6 years. Currently, you might find a job opening. Maybe. However, unless you know someone, chances aren't good. Hell, it's hard to even get a contract position unless you have contacts. Of course, you might find something in tech support. :barf:
  11. RobW

    RobW Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Henderson, NV
    Great post!

    California is a good example what the "Peace-Flower-Power" of the late sixties has become: pure, and plain power. No flowers anymore.
  12. MeekandMild

    MeekandMild Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    This is one of those posts which should be included when someone decides to write a book about this place. :D
  13. c-bag

    c-bag New Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    remember when everyone was talking about California sliding into the Pacific like it was a bad thing :evil:

    seriously though California has gone in 50 years from the the land of milk and honey to an urban nightmare

    a movie that (to me) sums up modern California is "Falling Down" w/ Micheal Douglas.
  14. CGofMP

    CGofMP Active Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Indeed there ARE places worse than Silicon Valley.... Santa Cruz, Berkeley, San Francisco, others....

    Pray tell what does that mean? Agreement or disagreement or.. uhm.. what? :)

    Well I ***WISH*** I was on my way. Finding a job capable of supporting myself and my family is gonna be a REAL trick to pull off.

    As for not inviting my fellow Californians to leave.. you got that right. I have seen what they have done to certain areas of Washington state... It also is best if the disease isnt spread to where little pockets of it fester. Its easier for your senators to write off California... its not so easy for them to write off a liberally elected droid from more than a few places. With each liberal that comes into your state you lose a little more of a foothold.

    I vote in every election. I have not had my vote actually prevail since the first election I was able to vote in.... We elected Ronald Regan that time.

    Most appreciate the support folks... my brother got out years ago (he is not in such a limited field as I am - webdesign is only a hobby) but I KNOW its possible... just gonna be a trick to pull it off.
  15. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    I've lived in Richmond, San Jose, San Bruno, San Mateo, Solvang, and Sunnyvale, the People's Republic of California. Life is much better now that I've returned to the United States.

    I miss the mild weather and beaches, but you couldn't pay me to move back there.
  16. J Miller

    J Miller Active Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Central IL
    I live in Springfield Illinois. I hate it here. I used to live in Phoenix AZ. I'm trying to get back there.
    I visited my brother in Costa Mesa last year. What a mess. I keep telling him he needs to move out. He gets mad at me when I tell him what is going on there.
    He refuses to belive me. He is a sheeple.
    Please pray for him.

    California makes IL look like a good place to live. And we know better than that.
  17. QuarterBoreGunner

    QuarterBoreGunner Participating Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    The City by the 'Bay' with the big 'Gold' bridge.

    I love my city. I love my state. I know that it's politics are a circus of morons and it's a clear fact that the idiots are in confederacy against us...

    But it still sucks rocks to hear the smack that the rest of the country talks about my homestate.

    I'm not trolling and I (hopefully) am not insighting a flame here but seriously; is your state or town perfect?

    We're trying here in California, to make a change, and it doesn't help to read posts like all the above. And maybe I'm just taking this too personally, but I seem to recall a floating post regarding personal attacks... is denegrating my home a personal attack?

    What should we do? Should we all leave the state and admit defeat? Or perhaps stay and try to make a difference?

    I'll be the first to admit that California is NOT a gun-friendly state we're working on it. But for a number of us, myself, Sven, Jim March, Atek3, 45R, Pipsqueak, Combat-Wombat, Skunkabilly, Madkiwi, Labrat and lot of others; it's home.

    Cut us some slack; we're working here.
  18. Moparmike

    Moparmike Senior Member

    Jun 8, 2003
    Oddly enough, a downwardly-plunging firey handbask
    Sure, I have plenty of bad things to say about my state's politics and the city of Fayettenam (also known as the People's Republik of Fayetteville). The politics suck because if you arent a bleeding-heart democRAT or a green, you simply dont get elected here. NW Ar is the conservative bastion of AR, and yet we still get the bleeding-hearts up here. If we could only get the rest of the state to get over the Civil War and Lincoln, we would have it made. That, and get the welfare-state wannabe's out of the east of AR.

    But, its not Kommiefornia. (sorry, I had to say it;) ). Unfortunately, it is taking a serious list to port and would like nothing more than to be the PRK.:fire:

    I admire the constitution and fortitude you unwilling PRK POP&LOCS's (Prisoners of Politics & Lack of Common Sense) show in your daily battles with the blissninnies.
  19. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    May 8, 2003
    Reno, Nevada
    hey quarter bore!

    Don't forget gunsmith!!!:p

    Being into firearms has made it easy to get a job,at least here where everyone is afraid of guns- it makes it easy to be an armed guard...
    I get 15$ an hour to basicaly do allmost nothing!
    It's not great but it could be worse.
    plus all the gunnies tend to be real friendly and helpful to each other here,more so then when I lived in FL!
  20. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    I've observed for a long, long time that too many folks don't really think through the various factors that make for an interesting and satisying life. For instance, a certain amount of emotion about staying near family is normal, but there's more to life than pleasing one's family. Or, people will continue to live on one side of a city yet commute to work on the opposite side. (Why not either move, or change jobs?)

    Too many will remain in a salaried job, afraid to chance failure in some entrepreneurial enterprise.

    I found some quite-reasonable ideas in this article by Gary North. At the very least there's some food for thought about one's future, one's overall satisfaction with life:


    For instance, if shooting and hunting are important to you, why would you not live where such activities are seen as a normal part of life?


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