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A shooting spree in the UK,that happend today.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by sterling180, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. sterling180

    sterling180 Well-Known Member

    Hello there THR members&I bring to you a sad day,in our country,as a lunatic taxi-driver,went postal and shot dead& several people.The amount of casulties is unclear,as the cops have sealed off the town in Cumbria.Just like Micheal 'Rambo' Ryan,back in 1987,this guy has caused a gun massacre.It happend at 10.30 AM GMT.

    I'll kep you all informed,as more information is available to me.The last time I was worried about our gun freedoms,was back in '96,after the Dunblane massacre,with handguns.So lets wait and see the fallout that the antis will bask in.:cuss:

    Last edited: Jun 2, 2010
  2. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Banning of firearms doesn't prevent this sort of thing although Banners will say that such bans reduce them to the rare and extraordinary event.

    It will be interesting to see if the police can determine where the gunman, Derrick Bird, got his weapon in a country where total government control of firearms ownership is touted. It will also be interesting to see if there's any backlash against the government for lying to the subjects of the UK that shootings and mass shootings can be prevented by total government control of firearms ownership.
  3. sterling180

    sterling180 Well-Known Member

    Oh,I agree&its totally spot on my friend,but Im very concerned after the number of fatalities&the nature of the crime,that we will have tighter restrictons or worse still,bans.They justify another ban,possibly like how they did,back in '88,with the Hungerford killer,in saying that he:had no criminal record&never came to police attention.

    By the way,this incident has saddend me alot&made my day,very miserable.A female colleage of mine,whom I rung up just now,has now gone totally anti-gun,saying that 'no one should own a gun'.This friend of mine,is called Gemma,&she was a friend,whom I tried to get to come clay-shooting,with me.
  4. bthest86

    bthest86 Well-Known Member

    First n' foremost no one should gloat over this tragedy but yes this is kind of thing will happen. No matter how much restrictions, control, licenses, or permits a government has these nuts will always get through and no one is the wiser until it is too late.
  5. sterling180

    sterling180 Well-Known Member

  6. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    It's reported the weapon used in the shootings is a shotgun and that the murderer was a well liked and well known member of his community. There's nothing indicating any criminal history or association or gang links.

    THR doesn't present "crime stories". We instead need to focus on the RKBA aspects and impact of this incident.
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  7. berrieberrie

    berrieberrie Well-Known Member

    That's the catch: up until now, there wasn't total government control in the UK - it was still possible and relatively easy to own bolt action rifles and shotguns. It is very likely that the shooter was a legal gun owner. As a freedom- and gun-loving European, I am afraid that this might become the perfect excuse for a total ban - "See ? We need to ban them all !"
  8. Blackbeard

    Blackbeard Well-Known Member

    I wonder how the new coalition government will view this incident. Any Brits care to share how the different parties view gun control? My suspicion is that all of them are for it.
  9. Polar Express

    Polar Express Well-Known Member

    This American would like to extend his condolances to your Country and those affected by sad event.

  10. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    UK members--what are the chances for a shotgun ban after this? What are the new government's views on such matters? Are they better or worse than Labour?
  11. ccsniper

    ccsniper member

    keep us updated as to the RKBA part of the story
  12. razorback2003

    razorback2003 Well-Known Member


    I hate to see people killed by a nutcase like this. I wonder if the guy legally possessed these firearms...but he obviously illegally carried them in public and illegally murdered people. At least he saved the public the trouble of trying him in court.
  13. Intrepid Dad

    Intrepid Dad Well-Known Member

    Agreed. So many lives are impacted by a crime like this. It's sad.
  14. FirearmsEnthusiast

    FirearmsEnthusiast Well-Known Member

    Let obviously won't get as much attention as what's been going on in China recently. They have a terrible gun ban, but the psycho's still manage to waste people with blades.
  15. Fred West

    Fred West Well-Known Member

    It's been confirmed that 12 people died. It would appear he used a rifle and possibly a shotgun as well. I'm afraid this will have far reaching consequences for shooting over here. I think after this all we'll be left with is muzzle loaders and possibly .22's. I hope I'm wrong.
    Needless to say, condolences to everyone involved.
  16. UKarmourer

    UKarmourer Well-Known Member

    Well here is a link to the BBC timeline on the incident.

    As to the RKBA issue, well, I was at my clay club when this hit the radio, our instant reaction was, must be time for another ban!
    Hungerford - bye bye semi-auto full bores
    dunblane- bye bye pistols
    now cumbria- what next?

    At the moment almost anyone with a good reason (sporting or hunting use) can get a shotgun cert and own shotguns (up to 3 shot cap)
    a section 1 firearms cert is required for anything else.

    I am in the process of applying for my SGC through my clay club, was going to apply for my FAC, might wait a bit, last time the legislation was pushed through at an amazing speed.

    Unfortunately the govt will listen to the public, who are kept in a fearful state by the media, the fact that most firearms incidents are carried out with illegaly held weapons & replicas matter not one bit- 3 FAC holders have gone bonkers, 2 of them caused bans, watch out watch out!

    On another downside, any hope i had of continuing to work in the firearms field when I leave the army has gone right out of the window if we have another ban. Another good reason to emigrate!
  17. Mike J

    Mike J Well-Known Member

    I also am sorry for the tragedy that has visited the UK.
    I hope someone in the government will have enough sense to realize that bans do not stop crime. Incidents will happen-the availablility of arms is not the problem the problem is with people.
  18. sterling180

    sterling180 Well-Known Member

    Did you know that he apaprently had another gun,a .22 rimfire rifle.Don't know whether or not it was a semi or a bolt,but Ive read a .22 rimfire rifle was used.Also I believe that the repeal for the N02 Act of the 1997 ban will wither and die on a vain too,I'm hoping that the shotgun used,isn't a pump-or a semi-auto,for obvious reasons.
    Well,judjing by the amounbt of pro-gun Tory supporters who supported Cameron,there might not be a ban,but I recon that now the gun control network,will gain greater support.Also as for our relaxation of pistols,I doubt that it'll happen now.100% sure that this bloke was a Section1&2 license holder&that the guns were 100% his&not stolen.

    If the Green Party got into power,under Caroline Lucas,than guess what,bye bye everything,minus single&double-barrelled game guns.Gone within a year,as these hippies would do it.
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  19. FirearmsEnthusiast

    FirearmsEnthusiast Well-Known Member

    Yep, I'm trying to get to the US as well for the exact same reason. It's not as easy as you think, even trying to visit th country is hard :(
  20. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    For the UK members, what is required for you to have a shotgun or rifle?

    Do you need to have prior approval before purchasing? Is it a license issued by the government? Can you walk into a shop, fill out a form and walk out with your shotgun without the government approving of you?

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