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A small email to a "gun-free" store

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Green Lantern, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. Green Lantern

    Green Lantern Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty happy with it, but am always in the market for constructive criticism.

    "Opsec" and all, I'll just say it's a store owned by Variety Wholesalers Inc. I could be wrong, but it very much looks like the sign is a "corporate" thing, it's got the hours and other misc. info on it.

    I chose to focus not on why they should trust us, but why they should distrust the sign making them safer - as in, it's an invitation for a savvy criminal that does not want the risk of a CCWer ruining his day. I don't expect they give two craps about MY rights, but they might care more about the safety of THEIR employees (maybe!), and definitely about the safety of THEIR customers!

    Ultimately, I would be fine carrying out my promise to go elsewhere if they don't change the sign. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
  2. Kyl3

    Kyl3 Active Member

    Personally, I would have tried to inform them of the disadvantages of a "gun-free zone" without saying you'll discontinue your business and try to get others to do the same... At least in the first email anyway.
    But hopefully they will consider changing their policy. Good luck.
  3. VPLthrneck

    VPLthrneck Well-Known Member

    I would remove the line about not conducting business there until you get a reply email/letter back from whatever department or person you send it to. Depending on their answer then you could reply back with that response, but hopefully the reponse will be more positive.

    I would change the part about CCW holders to say something that CCW holders have passed background checks and have undergone training in the proper use of defense and gun laws (depending on your state law--you'll have to check on this before adding it).

    Also your sentence "At best, an armed criminal will simply ignore the sign, of course.", I'd change to say "This policy was obviously created by your legal department in an attempt to make your stores "safer," but criminals will simply ignore this sign."
  4. lobo9er

    lobo9er Well-Known Member

    you can fact check this but i believe CCW holders are 3 times less likely to commit a crime than a police officer. If that fact is found true by you also that may be a good thing to include.
    Not to be nit picky your second paragraph I thnk could be re written. Facts make more of a statement than outlining a possible scenario, in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
  5. drsfmd

    drsfmd Well-Known Member

    Property owners rights trump all... their building, their rules. You don't have to shop there. Letting them know why isn't a bad idea though.
  6. Spats McGee

    Spats McGee Moderator

    First of all, I'm going to be nitpicky about punctuation:
    The quoted lines should either be: (1) separated by a semicolon; or (2) separated by a period. They are two separate sentences.

    That said, it's a good email, otherwise. I don't know where you live, but the Texas Department of Safety (I think that's the name) actually has compiled statistics on crimes committed by the general public, and those committed by CCL holders. If you choose, as someone suggested, to show them the statistics, you can link to that page to show just how rare it actually is for CCL holders to commit crimes.
  7. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    The premise that "Property owners rights trump all" is incorrect.

    Judge Napolitano explains it well


    BTW, I would point out the liability increases if an incident were to occur.

    Example: in my will I require my estate to sue a business that might be complicit in my death if they disarmed me.
  8. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    That's an interesting view. I'm surprised to see a Judge saying it, someone get that man a (Taurus) Judge of his own :D
  9. Green Lantern

    Green Lantern Well-Known Member

    ...I think that's the first time I'd ever heard that suggestion, which actually isn't such a bad idea at all. That way, not knowing where I stand, they have little choice but to be totally up-front about how it is and why it is and hope for the best.

  10. splattergun

    splattergun Well-Known Member

    I might have mentioned that I would feel very unsafe in a no-arms business.
    Also, it might not be a bad idea to note a short list of shootings at no-arms business, such as the recent theater shootings in CO.
  11. joneb

    joneb Well-Known Member

    Instead of a store owner posting a Gun Free Zone they should post a Crime Free Zone, the results would be the same. What a bunch of morons :banghead:
    If I were a criminal Gun Free Zones would seem ripe for the picking.

    I want a tee shirt that says Gun Free Zone on the front, and a target on the back :D
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2012
  12. JERRY

    JERRY Well-Known Member

    too much blabbing....do you want them to read it or toss it after three lines?

    short and sweet without being too narrow....
  13. joneb

    joneb Well-Known Member

    Well we have warning labels on just about everything, how about a warning posted on every Gun Free Zone sign......... It would read something like this..... "This Is a Gun Free Zone", "WARNING Enter at Your Own Risk, Everyone Here is Unarmed Except the Criminals".
  14. Green Lantern

    Green Lantern Well-Known Member

    Had my "spit take" moment for the day today upon checking email:

    Groovy. :cool:
  15. janedoedad

    janedoedad Well-Known Member


    Nicely done!
  16. WNC Seabee

    WNC Seabee Well-Known Member

    Great job!

    Be sure to send a big THANK YOU and maybe a scan of a recent receipt.
  17. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

  18. RmB

    RmB Well-Known Member

    That's great!
  19. firesky101

    firesky101 Well-Known Member

    wow... All to often we are shot down, so to speak. It is inspiring and reinvigorating to get a win.
  20. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Well-Known Member

    That was... unexpected.
    Maybe a straw-that-broke-the-camels-back kind of situation?

    Lets see if they actually put their money where their mouth is...

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