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A Tale of Four .22s

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by marksman13, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    So I had some free time today and three new (to me) .22 rifles. I decided to put them all through the wringer see who the top performer was. Three of the guns have a lot of sentimental value as they belonged to my grandfathers. I shot all four guns off a sand bag rest at 25 yards, and all guns were fed 10 rounds of Federal Match Ammo. The tests were less than scientific because two were open sights, one had a beat up old Tasco 4X scope and the other was sporting a Simmons 8-Point 4x12x40.

    The first rifle pictured is a Marlin Model 60W that was passed down to me from one of my grandfathers recently. I shot it with open sights and I also shot it last so I think it got the worst break. I liked the trigger just fine, but somehow I still manages to string the group from left to right. I will do better tests of this rifle on Friday, hopefully with a scope on it and we'll see how much tighter the groups get.

    The second picture is a Savage Model 3 D. Who the hell knows when this little single shot was last produced? I was more suprised by this little rifle than all the rest. For a gun that cost less than $30 when first produced I think it shoots very well. I like the open sights on this rifle ALOT more than those on the Marlin. I think it is going to see a squirrel hunt or two next year just for a challenge.

    The third rifle is my brand new CZ 513. This may be CZs bottom of the line bolt action, but accuracy isn't a problem. The trigger is a bit heavy, but it is fairly crisp even if it is a little inconsistent. It is definately my favorite rimfire and I would recomend it to anyone looking for a cheap, reliable and accurate 22.

    The last rifle pictured is a Remington Nylon 66 that I picked this afternoon along with the Marlin. It is in fantastic shape, but the cheap Tasco scope on it was more of a hinderance anything else. I'm going to give this gun another chance on Friday with a better scope mounted on it. Hopefully it will show some improvement. If not, it will still be a fun plinker.

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  2. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    on the Marlin, check to see if your front sight needs to be tightened. A Marlin should shoot far better than that. Ditto for the Remington.

    CZ looks great, but that deviation at 25 will be worse at 100, click it another notch right.

    If you can adjust the sights on the Savage, do so.
  3. repo

    repo Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed reading your post. I chomping at the bit to get shooting 22s again now that I have a nice place to shoot finally, after 8 years of city living. I'm thinking of a CZ 452 with a Mueller APV scope.
  4. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    Rob, I adjusted the CZ. It shoots dead on now. I'll post some targets after I shoot it again on Thursday or Friday. I will say that the Marlin has the best trigger of all the rifles. The Savage can't be adjusted without actually bending the front sight. I may try it Thursday. And Rob, you were spot on about that Marlin's front sight. It was practically flopping. Amazing what happens when a rifle gets banged around in the corner of a closet for 10 years plus. I think that Nylon 66 needs a new scope and mounts. The Tasco sat inside a smoke filled house for so long that it actually stained the glass. I expect alot better after I mount better glass on it. Thanks for the info on the Marlin. Would have taken me forever to check the front sight.

    351 WINCHESTER Well-Known Member

    Don't bother scoping your nylon 66. Even though the "receiver" is dovetailed for a scope mount it will not hold it's zero. The problem is that the receiver is held in place by 2 screws. The receiver lays on top of the bbl. The bbl. is not screwed to the receiver. These 2 combinations do not work with a scope. I scoped mine years ago and the point of impact kept shifting. I thought I had a bad scope. Took it back to gunshop where they put their boresighter on. Every time I touched the scope or put any pressure on the forearm, ever so slightly I could see the poi changing.
  6. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    Marksman, I had that happen with a .22 pistol before and it was confounding.
  7. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    a $14 trigger kit from Eric Brooks (www.cz452.com) will vastly improve your 513 trigger. Go to the CZ forum on rimirecentral.com to learn more. Availability from Brooks directly has been spotty (though there is another source, I believe - Whittaker's?), but the results are amazing. A word of caution, though, is that you can easily go crazy and take out too much creep and put in too light a triger spring and make the trigger unsafe, so best to be conservative and safety test after installation. All this is discussed at RFC. Easiest if you use their search function.
  8. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    351 Win, do you know where I might find a rear sight for a Nylon 66? The original dissapeared long ago. I may be able to look through my grandfather's stuff and find it, but it's not very likely.

    MrBorland, I'll look into getting that trigger. How difficult is it to install? Accuracy might be phenomenal after a trigger job.

    Dr Rob, yep, I was absolutley dumbfounded by the results of that Marlin. I had expected much better accuracy, and rightfully so apparently.

    Thanks for all the help guys.
  9. TimboKhan

    TimboKhan Moderator

    I looked on Numrich for you, and they do sell rear sights for the Nylon 66. Currently, they are out of stock. $27.25 for the "rear sight, complete". Maybe just order one and wait until it comes into stock. Otherwise, start hunting online, with Remington, and at gun shows. Good Luck!
  10. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Tim. Just found that myself. I may just wait for it. I'm not in a big rush.
  11. CZguy

    CZguy Well-Known Member

    He was having some family problems awhile back. Everything is back to normal now. Order with confidence. :)
  12. 351 WINCHESTER

    351 WINCHESTER Well-Known Member

    If you can't find the rear sight you're only option would be to scope it. Looking back, had I tried shimming the receiver to the bbl. it might have worked fine, but that was when I was young and foolish and had "better" things to do.

    Don't overtighten the 2 screws that hold the "receiver" to the rifle. If you do you probably will have jams. Don't bother putting oil everywhere either, a few drops on the recoil guide and spring. If you are having jams you need to clean the bbl. and the feed ramp. Take the screw off the bottom and pull the bolt handle off, remove the receiver, then you can take the bbl. off for proper cleaning. Actually these were very relaible guns and I loved mine when I was a kid. It's a simple disassembly/assembly. On the left side of the rifle under the receiver is the ejector. Take it out (it will probably fall out) and clean it too.
  13. SShooterZ

    SShooterZ Well-Known Member

    Great report... Keep us informed as you try new things.
  14. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    The Brooks trigger kit is pretty easy to install. Takes me 5-10 minutes now, but maybe 45 minutes my first time. The front trigger pin is peened and the harder of the 2 to be removed. Put the action on a hard surface (I used a concrete floor the 1st time), support the underside of the action (Brooks also sells the Pin Removal Fixture, which works great for this), and put a towel under the barrel. Use a punch (or finishing nail if that's what you have) to get the 1st (front) pin started, then drive it out completely. The sleeve is installed between the sear and front trigger pin. The front pin doesn't have to be re-peened after installation, but it will come out easier the next time.

    Again, start off conservative with your sleeve/spring selection. Generally, one tries different combinations of tubes/springs until you get a combo that gives you a nice trigger pull that passes regular safety tests, which include the "bump" test.

    With this kit you can get anything from stock pull with less creep to near match-grade sub-1lb. My CZ452varmint has about a 1lb pull, but is used for bench shooting only. I just picked up a scout for general utility work, and I mainly just took the creep out of it (ok, I did lighten it a little).
  15. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    Can anybody tell me where to get ten round mags for the CZ rifle? I checked CZ's website and got no joy. Thanks guys.
  16. kir_kenix

    kir_kenix Well-Known Member

    he hit it dead on. the nylons don't work well with a scope. i once put fixed 4x on my nylon 77, and it would shoot great for 2 or 3 mags...then the groups would shift/string out. they have pretty decent open sights to begin with.
  17. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    I agree, kir kenix. I just have to find a rear sight for this rifle. The original is long since lost. I love the rifle and I think it would make a very handy truck rifle without a scope on it. My dad had a Nylon 66 when I was a kid though. It was scoped the whole time he had it and the zero never shifted. I guess it was just one of those rifles that comes around once in a lifetime. Too bad it was stolen.:mad:
  18. Danny Creasy

    Danny Creasy Well-Known Member


    The Brookes Kit only works on the 452s. The 513 has a totally different non-adjustable trigger. Some individuals have had success by shiming the 513 trigger. Unless you are very handy, I would caution against fooling with the 513's trigger.

    Also, periodically check to make sure that the trigger spring retaining screw is tight. If it gets loose, the trigger spring will not force the sear up to engage the firing pin securely and the rifle will fire when you close the bolt.
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2007
  19. MrBorland

    MrBorland Moderator

    My bad. The 513 is a basic version of the 452, but I didn't know the trigger was different. Thanks for the heads-up, Sheffieldshootr.
  20. marksman13

    marksman13 Well-Known Member

    Sheffield, I figured you would come along and straighten us out. :D I thought you had said the 513 had a non adjustable trigger. To be totally honest, I don't find the trigger to be as repulsive as some claim it to be. It is a vast improvement over the stock Ruger 10/22 I was shooting. Sheffield, don't you have a 513? Is the accuracy of mine on par with what you've seen?

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