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A tax on firearms same as tax on voting?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Well-Known Member

    I know that guns can have a standard tax on them. However, more and more politicians are wanting and passing legislation that adds excessive taxes to guns and ammo in an attempt to 'lower crime'.

    Well, everyone knows that the real reason is to deter and make harder the purchasing of guns and ammo.

    I believe you can't add a charge to voting to stop people from attempting to stop people from voting since voting is Constituationally protected.

    Wouldn't the same thing be said for adding excessive taxes to guns and ammo, since it is also Constitionally protected?
  2. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    One could think that but they are obviously not regulated the same way. A person cannnot even be required to show photo ID to vote, let alone attend a class or take a test.
  3. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    I'm open to that argument.

    I'm also open to the argument that if voter ID is racist, then given the Jim Crow history of gun control, gun owner ID is even MORE invidiously racist.

    I've put that question to a number of anti-gun cultists. Most of them refuse even to answer. The one or two who have, had to tie themselves into knots trying to do so, even to the extent of pretending not to know the history of "literacy tests" for voting or how they were used to suppress voting.
  4. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    They've already done so with other products. Tobacco taxes are crazy in some states as well as taxes on alcohol. You know for health reasons.

    You know, so they can save us from ourselves. :rolleyes:
  5. Dave P

    Dave P Well-Known Member

    "Tobacco taxes are crazy in some states "

    And the un-intended consequence is folks selling individual cigarettes - like the man in NYC that was choked-holded and died because he was selling singles!
  6. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    ^ Yeah that was crazy.
    Whatever someone's opinion is on issues like tobacco use, most would agree that the over the top taxes on them is crazy to have in a "free" country.
    I am not a cigarette smoker, but do enjoy pipes and cigars very much. I order online to avoid the crazy taxes (even though Arkansas is cheap compared to many states) but I don't know how much longer they're going to allow us to get around it that way.

    It is a violation of rights any way you look at it. Just like it would be with guns, though guns moreso because it is actually a constitutionally protected right.
  7. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    Cigarettes and alcohol are not protected under the Constitution the way arms are.
  8. Schwing

    Schwing Well-Known Member

    The unbelievable control that the Federal Government has taken over firearms is based almost solely on the commerce clause.

    As with so many other things, the supreme court has had various rulings over the years that have further increased or decreased federal, state and local government's ability to enforce various laws. These rulings also further defined and, IMO, weakly justified the governments use of the commerce clause to enforce firearms restrictions. Because of these rulings, even INTRASTATE commerce can now be regulated by the feds.


    This is one of the best descriptions I have seen on the subject.
  9. AlexanderA

    AlexanderA Well-Known Member

    It would seem that a tax on mere possession of guns would infringe on the 2nd Amendment right. But is anyone seriously proposing this? A manufacturers' excise tax on guns has been around a long time and has not been challenged (particularly because the revenue from that tax is dedicated to wildlife conservation efforts). Likewise, a sales tax imposed on gun sales, at the general tax rate, would not be an infringement. But a grossly discriminatory sales tax, applying only to guns, it seems to me, would be open to challenge on 2nd Amendment grounds.

    Even the NFA tax is not a tax on possession, but on transfer, or making. It's transaction-based, and not object-based.
  10. Schwing

    Schwing Well-Known Member

    I agree. It is blatant infringement on a fundamental right.

    A couple of years ago, a few states were purposing voter I.D. laws that would require folks who don't have a legal form of picture I.D. to obtain one from the state to be allowed to vote. Many of the same folks who are FOR these gun taxes were crying foul claiming that this requirement would pose an unfair and unnecessary burden upon citizens trying to exercise a constitutional right. I heard it referred to as the "voting tax" more than once.

    It gets frustrating when hypocrisy is just blatantly ignored if it even gets recognized at all.
  11. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    I know.
    That's why my last sentence was, "Just like it would be with guns, though guns moreso because it is actually a constitutionally protected right." ;)
  12. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Well-Known Member

    I think any additional tax on firearms and ammo would then be used, by the government, to push their anti-gun agendas. We'd be subsidizing their tyranny against us. Something is so wrong with this scenario but if I understand things correctly, the courts can't really step in when it concerns taxes.
  13. txblackout

    txblackout Well-Known Member

    Supreme court had ruled it unconstitutional for voting. All other products ate not constitutionally protected
  14. JSH1

    JSH1 Well-Known Member

    It is unconsitutional to charge taxes to vote because the 24th amendment specifically says so:

    "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

    Nothing in the Constitution says guns cannot be taxed.

    17 states currently require a photo ID to vote.
  15. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

  16. Tirod

    Tirod Well-Known Member

    Other than the hunting tax, I'd like to specifically hear about the other "high" taxes on firearms that have been enacted.

    How high are they, and where?

    I'm smelling false outrage over something that doesn't exist.
  17. usmarine0352_2005

    usmarine0352_2005 Well-Known Member

    Here's a few.





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