Aafia Siddique: What happens when you are shot by a 9mm handgun

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It sounds painful

I got a buddy who got mugged one night and took a 22 round in the arm. He said that HURT! I imagine a couple of 9mm's in the gut would too. :D

Shoot, if Tom Hanks had been using a 50 cal Desert Eagle, he could have stopped a Panzer division in that movie. 45's are only good for one tank at a time. ;)
 
that part is what bothers me too.

Weapon retention in presence of a terrorist, bad guy whatever. Not having them cuffed another bad idea. I would like more details on this and as to how exactly this person obtained the firearm. Wish I hadn't had to sift through the caliber war posts though ;)
Lost a kidney? Lucky she didn't have the renal artery tapped. Very lucky... I'm betting between the bullets and surgery she's more subdued now.
 
"Officer Stacy Lim

After a softball game and a stop-over at the Northeast Station to check her work assignment, Officer Stacy Lim arrived home in Canyon Country at about 1 a.m., Saturday, June 9, 1990. She didn’t know that the car behind her had followed her from Los Angeles, or that it carried four hardcore gang members, intent on stealing her truck. One of the young bandits was armed with a .357-Magnum revolver. Now, because she believed that she had been followed for some unknown reason, she carried her 9-millimeter service weapon in her hand. When she saw the large pistol in the hand of the advancing figure, she was ready to defend herself.

Officer Lim did a humane thing – instead of immediately firing at the shadowy figure with a gun, she purposely advised him that she was a police officer. From a distance of about 5 feet, the young gunman, without warning, responded to Officer Lim’s unselfish act by firing his weapon directly into her chest. The bullet ravaged her upper body when it nicked the lower portion of her heart, damaged her liver, destroyed her spleen, and exited through the center of her back, still with enough energy to penetrate her vehicle door, where it was later found. Critically wounded, the officer brought up her weapon and fired one round which struck her assailant. He then turned and ran, but the officer followed him and fired three more rounds, which hit and fatally wounded the gunman. He had fired all six of his bullets at Officer Lim, who now returned to the front of her vehicle to fight off any further attackers, unaware that the others had driven away in panic. They were all taken into custody the same day.

Now realizing her danger from her massive wound, she tried to reach her doorway, but collapsed. Her roommates, alerted by the shooting, found her and called for medical aid. The officer had already lost so much blood, that that alone made her condition critical.

Police and Medical personnel at the scene estimated that she had no chance for recovery, and doctors at the hospital gave her only an hour to live. Her family was summoned.

However, she refused to die and survived three full cardiac arrests. By responding to a 90-minute heart massage, she showed her will to live. Her sense of duty and personal courage were equaled only by her reverence for the life of another, because she had placed herself at dire risk by giving a warning to an armed attacker. She had given him an opportunity to surrender and live. Her action upheld the highest traditions of the Los Angeles Police Department and is hereby recognized by awarding her with the Medal of Valor."
 
...she refused to die and survived three full cardiac arrests. By responding to a 90-minute heart massage, she showed her will to live.

Also contributing to her survival was that she was extremely physically fit.
 
i bet

no reflection on her but if it was me, i would trade that verbal warning & medal of honor to have my liver & spleen back.....:banghead:
 
Remember other factors too:

Guys are bigger with heavier bones and muscles than the girls.

Girls run on estrogen, and when hurt want to curl up and protect themselves or run to get away. That's the way most girls are wired.

Guys run on testosterone---and some of us become enraged when pain is inflicted on us and we don't run, we attack.

If you go here, my story of taking a 9mm Makarov round is up:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393304

If a BG had been the one who shot me, I can guarantee you that he would have had one very pissed off human being all over him.
 
The blessed .45ACP man-stopper is no more a 100% reliable man-stopper than a brick. No pistol cartridge is 100% reliable with one shot.
"...Remember other factors too:..." Rubbish. You don't know many women do you? Pass an 8 pound watermelon through your bung hole sometime.
 
Girls run on estrogen, and when hurt want to curl up and protect themselves or run to get away. That's the way most girls are wired.

Guys run on testosterone---and some of us become enraged when pain is inflicted on us and we don't run, we attack.

Girls have T also. And plenty of guys at this point have very low T. T is a good thing, but let's not oversimplify. We "run on" plenty more hormones than just T or E, especially when we are in a dire situation.

But to keep with your theme: I don't know about you, but I'd rather face off with most guys than with a well-trained woman who felt her kid was in danger.
 
"...Remember other factors too:..." Rubbish. You don't know many women do you? Pass an 8 pound watermelon through your bung hole sometime.

Married 28 years and I've raised two daughters, plus all their girlfriends they've dragged home over the years. Since you seem to know it all, how many daughters do you have?
 
He was shot by an american ball 9mm round the insurgent had gotten hold of. It went through his upper lip. Blew out his two top front teeth while leaving most of the roots. The bullet, quite deformed, finally lodged in the soft tissue behind his epiglottis less than an inch from his cervical spine. He was seen by an oral surgeon aquaintance of mine who said the bullet was easily removed as it had neatly avoided any major blood vessels. Apparently the Lt. was pretty pissed off that he lost his front teeth as he said he'd,"never even had a cavity". There was much speculation if it was a "dud" or underpowered round, but it was undoubtably an american military round as the gun and mag were recovered and investigated. It would seem incredible that the Lt's teeth could have slowed the bullet down that much. But sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

That's not a testimony against 9mms, it's a testimony for American dental care... and some people wonder why there's fluorine in the water: "to stop the bullets ma'am":D
 
Girls run on estrogen, and when hurt want to curl up and protect themselves or run to get away

Having lived in 5 states in my lifetime, I have found just the opposite to be true. Including my wife and both my daughters giving birth without any pain medication.

Son-law is a firefighter/EMT and according to him, guys whine pretty consistantly when hurt. Much more than women.

But then again I don't need to shoot myself in the groin to prove my resolve.
 
Having lived in 5 states in my lifetime, I have found just the opposite to be true. Including my wife and both my daughters giving birth without any pain medication.

Son-law is a firefighter/EMT and according to him, guys whine pretty consistantly when hurt. Much more than women.

But then again I don't need to shoot myself in the groin to prove my resolve.

Thanks for the cheap shot. I didn't say women felt more or less pain, only that their response, under stress, is different. I'll just bow out and let you carry on your fantasy thread that a guy is going to respond to a 9mm round just like a small boned woman would. After 25 years treating pts'. in ER's and ICU's, I haven't found that to be true.
 
"...barely more powerful than a tazer"...says poster #4...and w/o humor...that's outrageous...

I've seen a badly ill dog instantly dropped by a .22 LR. Many,many people have been killed by .22s ;I'll take the tazing rather than a 9mm hit.

I know 115 gr WWB has plenty of penetrating power and know that is one of the "problems" of that "less than .45 cal" round. Obviously, shot placement is more critical with a .35 FMJ round.
 
Weapon retention in presence of a terrorist
after she allegedly grabbed a US Army Warrant Officer's M-4 Carbine

Yeah no kidding, got a hold of an M4 and started firing? Cheebis what a mistake for that officer, pretty embarrassing! Maybe it was all part of their master plan... Make it real easy to grab and then they get to cut her down! J/K
 
I didn't say women felt more or less pain, only that their response, under stress, is different

you've never had a girl under stress (or extreme anger) hit you, have you? an ex-girlfriend of mine popped me in the face for scaring the bejesus out of her one night. long story cut down to the basics: i went over to her house really late at night without telling her i was dropping by. thought i'd have some fun, so i snuck over to her bedroom window (she was always leaving it open/cracked for some reason) and scratched on the screen. since i was crouched below the window sill, she couldnt see who/what was making the noise. so, after about 3 times of me scratching, she got nervous and came over to the window to check it out. when she got close enough, i jumped up and expected to watch her jump/scream (i wasnt trying to be intentionaly mean, just messing around). before i could even finish yelling "BOO!", she punched strait thru that window screen and broke my nose like Jack Dempsey.

I'll take the tazing rather than a 9mm hit

never been hit with a 9mm, but i have been shot with an air tazer. they both hurt, although the 9mm will kill you more often than a tazer. no matter what, tazers still suck to get shot with.
 
"...barely more powerful than a tazer"...says poster #4...and w/o humor...that's outrageous...

Humor, my friend, does not "exist," but "happens." ;)
 
"It is the nature of the structure injured, and not the nature of the bullet, that causes the incapacitation."
-Vincent DiMaio, M.D., from Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques
 
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