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about # 11 percussion caps & guns

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by antony35, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. antony35

    antony35 Active Member

    i would like to know about the percussion# 11 caps . will this ignite the powder in the cold weather . please guide me
  2. Loyalist Dave

    Loyalist Dave Well-Known Member

    Of course they will ignite Black Powder in cold weather. Are they as "hot" as a rifle primer or shotshell primer, no. Is the difference important to Black Powder, no, but IF you are using pyrodex pellets, you probably want to use a primer with some types of guns, in any temp weather.

  3. Marlin 45 carbine

    Marlin 45 carbine Well-Known Member

    'magnum' caps are available if you think they're neccesary. those and 'hot shot' nipples will light most any BP off.
  4. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    Regular No. 10 & No. 11 percussion caps both produce the same amount and temperature gas when ignited; the only difference is physical size. Both will reliably ignite real black powder and substitute black powder in any ambient temperature, as Loyalist Dave wrote above. There may be some occasional failures to ignite pelletized substitute powders; magnum caps produce both more gas and hotter gas so they would be advised in that situation.
  5. flintlock62

    flintlock62 Well-Known Member

    My favorite is RWS 1075 Plus caps. I have tested some by soaking them in water over night and all twelve fired.
  6. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    Did you also test CCI and Remington caps? How did they do? Please share the info.
  7. AbitNutz

    AbitNutz Well-Known Member

    I just got back from the range. It's 21 degrees here., I used RWS 1075's with Pyrodex 30gr pellets. I had no problems what so ever. I should say, the gun had no problems...I was freezing my butt off. I pulled the trigger, the gun fired and the caps blew off the nipples. Just like it always does. Even though they are a lot more expensive than the Remington #11's. I like the RWS a bit better because they seem to feed better through my snail capper.

    I didn't last too many shots...I walked the 3 miles to the range. I kept up a good pace and was quite warm...which of course, led to being slightly sweaty when I stopped. By the time my wife met me with the equipment...now I was cold. So I didn't shoot very long at all. I also shot poorly. At 25 yards I was all over the paper.
  8. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

    Revolvers?try pinching the mouth of the cap slightly until the opening is oval,and they should stay on better.
  9. antony35

    antony35 Active Member

    thanks guys for the information . i am looking for a traditional style percussion rifle , and i prefer lyman plain hunter . planing to use pyrodex powder . i am from ohio and i hope everything will work fine in our cold weather.
  10. flintlock62

    flintlock62 Well-Known Member

    RWS caps are waterproof, CCI and Remington caps are not.
  11. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Well-Known Member

    Personal predjudice here,but I would not advise Pyrodex.Triple Seven is a superior sub,if you cant get real powder.
  12. arcticap

    arcticap Well-Known Member

    Although it's more corrosive, I've always had good results with Pyrodex P when cold weather hunting with sidelocks.
    But I haven't obtained good accuracy using 777 with sidelocks except from the smaller .36 caliber rifles. And 777 produces noticiable sharper recoil when loading larger amounts.
    If you ever did have ignition problems with the Lyman factory nipple you can always switch to an after market #11 nipple or a musket nipple.
  13. mykeal

    mykeal Well-Known Member

    I guess that's a no. How do you know that?
  14. oldpuppymax

    oldpuppymax Well-Known Member

    1075 caps are very, very dependable. And I spent Feb 13th at the rifle range...about 28 degrees with my 1075 caps firing my Great Plains every time.
  15. AbitNutz

    AbitNutz Well-Known Member

    My only problem with RWS 1075's is finding them and when found...what they cost. Remington is about $5.00 per 100. RWS 1075 ran me about $8.50.

    Not a real big deal when you consider the overall cost of this sport.
  16. Calibre44

    Calibre44 Well-Known Member

    I use Remington No11 caps and the Winter has been the coldest for years over here (snowing again as I type). Never had any problem with the caps igniting Black Powder in cold weather.

    Out of interest, how cold are temperatures you are shooting in?
  17. WCW

    WCW Member

    Our local black powder pundit has been telling everyone who will listen that percussion caps will not work in cold weather. Just to prove him wrong I loaded one of my side locks and left in the truck over night when the temp got down to minus twenty-six. The gun fired with no problem and both of the quick loaders I left with it worked as well. Based on my little experiment I would say that cold will not affect them

    P. S. I use hot shot nipples and a nipple charger with Pyrodex P in it.
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2010
  18. Pancho

    Pancho Well-Known Member

    anthony, I personally change all my long, percussion guns over to musket caps. They are easier to handle because of their larger size and tophat design. They are a lot hotter.
  19. I KNOW THIS..I have carried and used my Walker (Uberti) and my Uberti Colt .31 Pocket and my Pietta Remington '58 New Model Army (and a Uberti Cattleman's Carbine..almost forgot to mention it) in all kind's of weather in Alaska, Canadian Yukon, Montana, Wyoming, Alabama, Louisiana swamps, and certain parts of South America. I would be using BlackMag3 (and later on Triple 7-3fff) and ALWAYS Remington #10 or Remington #11 percussion caps. Snow and ice, pouring down rain, hot and humid, didn't matter. By God me and my guns were there. Sometimes they would get wet and sometimes they wouldn't. Sometimes I would carry them for a few days before changing the caps, even after carrying in the driving rain and sometimes I wouldn't, just all depended on how busy I was and how put to it I happened to be at the time (just wipe the gun down good and oil a little and leave the charges intact) ... Kerosene; ( I don't know about the fancy so called 'lamp oil' one buy's off of the shelf) REAL Kerosene will start jelling up on your ass at 77 degrees below zero. I'vd used my guns several times when the kerosene was so thick you could cut it with a knife. My guns ALWAYS fired no matter the weather. First time and every time. (still do) Now, that's the truth..Take it or leave it I don't give a s***....
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2010

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