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AHSA - Change 50 BMG Policy?

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by RPCVYemen, Jan 14, 2009.

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  1. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Yes, they would likely agree that both should be banned. That you don't get the point is why you should not be "negotiating" with AHSA.

    In 7 pages here you've hearrd arguments from very many folks, most of us have been in the pro gun movement for many years, several of us for decades.
    Now you come with the AHSA and tell us we don't know how this works, we don't understand, we just don't get it.

    If you had been doing this a while you would know what the rest of us already know, that the AHSA is nothing but a front for Handgun Control Inc and a clear anti gun organization.

    If creeping incrementalism does not bother THEM, it should bother YOU. That it doesn't bother YOU either tells plenty as well.

    It is a waste of YOUR time and possibly dangerous to the pro gun movement to attempt "negotiations" with these anti gun people.

    My arguments against their .50BMG position paper is written to an audience made of people who are pro gun but don't see the big picture.
    Your insistence that you have an IRREFUTABLE argument to present to a "pro gun" group about why they should not call for a ban of certain classes of firearms confirms tall of this.

    But you keep saying what we have all been telling you all along, that AHSA is NOT a pro gun group so any argument to them has to be written in the same way you'd try to persuade Brady Campaign. You specifically state above that AHSA would likely be on board with creeping incrementalism in gun laws by advocating the .50DTC be banned as well, if they just knew about it.

    Their argument, and yours, that NFA was about guns and crime is also the standard anti-gun argument.

    Crime reduction has NEVER been the reason for any anti gun legislation, and crime statistics show that anti gun laws have never had any impact.

    Yemen, you are wasting our time and I am going to ask the other folks in this thread to join me in requesting the mods to close this thread.

    I am asking this thread be closed since it is a clear attempt by an anti-gun group to achieve it's goal as a wedge organization by confusing unknowing gun owners with these fanciful claims of "terrorist weapons", "armor piercing incendiary combo ammo" and how this class of firearm serves no purpose since it's not used often in hunting, as though hunting matters at all here. Even if the group was dedicated to hunters, the .50BMG poses no THREAT to hunters so why call for more regulation? That's as anti gun as you can get.

    We're told that they do not favor an "assault weapon" ban because they took it down from their website. The same line of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt fear mongering that they are currently using against the .50BMG has been used by other groups to advocate "AWBs" in the past. Same words, different target. Today anyway. If they are successful in their march against the .50BMG where will they stop next? Their advocate here has said that creeping incrementalism of gun control is not their, or his, concern and not seen as a valid argument.

    That is and has always been the purpose of AHSA and one more thread here, 7 pages long, has proven it to be true.
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2009
  2. Fburgtx

    Fburgtx Well-Known Member

    I second the nomination for a lock.

    An effective pro-gun organization should be fighting on our behalf to prevent more anti-gun laws.

    What does it tell you about an organization (AHSA) when someone comes on this forum requesting us to ask/demand they do just that. If they were truly a pro-gun organization, they would not require this sort of "activism".

    The NRA has 4 million members. AHSA has 76 "Facebook friends", a former member of Handgun Control as president, and a website with a blog that does nothing but proclaim its' support for the most anti-gun president (based on voting record), ever.

    You do the math..........
  3. JImbothefiveth

    JImbothefiveth Well-Known Member

    I think the risk of that is very miniscule. Remember, these rifles weigh about 20 pounds at the lightest if I'm not mistaken, and some weigh over 40 pounds.
  4. JImbothefiveth

    JImbothefiveth Well-Known Member

    Not true, it sometimes increases crime!

    I'm not sure that's a good idea, this thread is rather entertaining.
  5. bensdad

    bensdad Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, but no, it's not. The OP knows perfectly well what the organization in question stands for. You guys keep giving his threads BTT attention, assuring that many hunters see the thread title. I think he's here to skim support off the top of the gun crowd. The longer this silliness goes on, the more reads it gets. His arguments are circular and nonsensical. He doesn't want resolution - he wants air-time. You give it to him. His wedge group is loving this.
  6. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    The Astroturf Hoodwinking Shooters Association was founded in Apr 2005 mostly as a website operation and press release generating "Association" of people noted for supporting restrictions on firearms. John E. Rosenthal, first President of AHSA worked with Handgun Control to lobby Congress for Massachusett-style gun laws for the USA as a whole.
    I am NRA. How many shooting ranges has AHSA helped set up? Hunter safety courses? Gun Safety courses? Law enforcement courses? What has AHSA done except pretend for four years to be a Hunter and Shooter association while mainly just generating press releases and steering Google searches on gun subjects to AHSA before NRA? AHSA is a Potemkin gun club.

    Should I waste my time dreaming up an argument for my gun rights that would be acceptable to AHSA? I'll answer that with a question: do you think I would waste my time trying to convince Aryan Nations that a quad-racial mongrel like me has a soul and a right to exist?
  7. JImbothefiveth

    JImbothefiveth Well-Known Member

    Well, I've been trying to make sure more people see what this organization is up to, such as trying to ban private sales, ban .50 calibers, and in 2006(read: before election campaigning started) they wanted to ban hollowpoints, and they wanted another "assault weapon" ban. (Actual asault rifles, per the ATF's definition, are already illegal to manufacture for civilian sale.)

    However, I think your argument has convinced me, it's time to close this thread. AHSA is an anti-gun group who will not change their mind about this matter, ever. The best way to get them to change their mind would be to threaten to drop your membership and donate the money to an actual pro-gun organization if they don't chagne their mind. (I bet you they still won't.)

    The NRA is not a friend to terrorists or an enemy to good parenting. They teach proper gun safety(good parenting) and want people to be able to own guns(bad for terrorists). They are perhaps the criminal's worst foe after law enforcement, because the NRA arms their victims. The AHSA's policies are not reasonable at all, they want to ban something because it could be dangerous in theory. I believe RPCVYemen would be just fine with them banning (firearm type here) so long as more gun owners vote for gun-grabbing liberals, like he does.

    If the prison systems release drug dealers after a year's probation and then prevent people from defending themselves, you can thank AHSA!
  8. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Ok, this thing has whipsawed back and forth enough AND there's a course of action that can be followed for anyone that wants to try to change AHSA's policies. No point in keeping it open.
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