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ak/47. sight/ red-dot questions.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by garrett1955, Oct 13, 2005.

  1. garrett1955

    garrett1955 Well-Known Member

    ok i'v been looking at a new sight system for my ak. i know i dont want a scope. i'v been looking at the red dots. bushnell looks nice. i dont know where i should mount it to gas tube, or rear mount? i would like it to be towards the rear of the gun but im a left handed shooter, so the side mounts are useualy so far off it wouldnt work. the cover mouints dont hold zero? so how are they when mounted up front? anyone have any good suggestions?
  2. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Well-Known Member

    Get a Kobra

    You need one of these:

    It's an authentic Russian Kobra holographic sight on a side rail mount. It's what the Russian special forces (Spetznaz) use. I have one for my Arsenal SA M-7S. It is completely parallax free, easy to zero, and has four selectable reticle patterns (including a plain 1 MOA red dot). The reticle adjusts for all lighting conditions. The side mount is excellent. I can mount and dismount numerous times and it holds zero just fine. Cost delivered to you is about $190 from Tantal.

    For more info, check our Tantal's excellent site: http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstkobra.html
  3. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    PKAS is better and it works without batteries if necessary. Here it is on my saiga12. It is usually mounted on my ban-style SAM7.

  4. beerslurpy

    beerslurpy member

    Nice posting a pic of the 4-row 60 rder mag (your soldier) . I would love to get some of those.
  5. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Well-Known Member

    The pic isn't mine. I hot-linked to Tantal's website. It is a great pic, though, and those mags are definitely cool.

    I'll take the libery of hotlinking to another pic at Tantal's site. Here's a great shot showing a PK-AS-S on an AK-105 (on the left) and a PK-AS-V on a Saiga (right):


    The PK-AS-V is "over the bore" if that matters to you. It looks like it sits higher than the PK-AS-S, though, which would be a disadvantage in my book.

    I haven't tried the PK-AS, so I can't compare it to the Kobra. I love the Kobra, though. It is quick, light and accurate. I don't consider the need for a battery to be a big disadvantage. Batteries are cheap and readily available. In the unlikely event of a SHTF scenario and I can't get more batteries, I can always just remove the Kobra and use the irons -- it takes about two seconds.
  6. TIMC

    TIMC Well-Known Member

    Here is mine with the Ultimak mount, very sturdy, holds zero well and very easy to use with the a holosight. I have the Bushnell holosight on mine. This is the best setup I hve found yet.

  7. garrett1955

    garrett1955 Well-Known Member

    yeah i was looking at the kobra. thanks for the great pic. the sight seems to be centered on top of the gun. does anyone know if it seems to be up a little high or is it just right? thanks for all the replys!
  8. TIMC

    TIMC Well-Known Member

    When you look at the picture of the rifle you will notice the risor I added on the stock. It made it the perfect height for a good cheek weld and instant sight alignment as soon as my cheek hits the stock. It would be high for a standard stock but so are most all of the add on sights out there.
  9. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Well-Known Member

    The Kobra I have isn't the one in the picture above. I have the EKP-8-02, which is a newer model. It looks like this mounted:


    It does sit a little higher than the PK-AS-S, or one of the red dots on an Ultimak. I find it very comfortable and easy to use, though.
  10. garrett1955

    garrett1955 Well-Known Member

    thanks guys i think im going to go with the kobra. seems to have good reviews and is in my price rance too. i would love to get a aim point but i will save the cash and put it towards my new .50 i want bad!
  11. Zak Smith

    Zak Smith Moderator Staff Member

    If I were going to do this, it would be a DocterSight on the Ultimak rail.
  12. clange

    clange Well-Known Member

    You'll be happy with the kobra. Its a hell of a sight for the money.

    I like the 03m model. Looks the best IMO, and uses AA batteries.
  13. Sleeping Dog

    Sleeping Dog Well-Known Member

    I like the Kobra. I just wish it came with a timed, automatic shutoff. Us old farts have trouble remembering to turn it off. Now I keep extra batteries in the range bag. Fortunately mine takes normal AA batteries.

    It seems to be mounted at a comfortable height. Easy to pick up a target quick, with both eyes open.

  14. AK103K

    AK103K Well-Known Member

    I have a couple of AK's with the Ultimak and a red dot mounted. Its really the only way to go and well worth the money spent. The rear mounted sights sit to high and are in your face, making fast, natural shooting difficult. With the sight mounted low, up front and out of the way, its very fast and natural to shoot with and it shoulders like a rifle with just iron sights. Depending on which sight and rings/mount you use, you can also co-witness your iron sights.

    This is my AK103K with the Ultimak and an Aimpoint ML2 on it.

    Sleeping Dog,
    If you go with the Aimpoints, you can just leave them on and change the batteries twice a year(to be safe) with your smoke detectors. The M2/ML2 have a 10,000 hour battery life, and the M3 has a 50,000 hour battery life. Even if you half that, its 6 months or 2.5 years. :)
  15. Father Knows Best

    Father Knows Best Well-Known Member

    That is a great looking setup. I'd love to try it out. We need to figure out a way to get together so we can run your Ultimak/Aimpoint side-by-side with my Kobra.
  16. AK103K

    AK103K Well-Known Member

    I'm not going to be getting to TN anytime soon, and I wish I was going to Knob Creek this year, or I'd say I'd meet you there. If your coming up this way, let me know. :)

    If you can find someone local with this type set up, I highly recommend giving it a try. I know you'll be sold on it. I have a couple more with basically the same set up, and as money allows will probably add a couple more.

    Here's my SOCOM and Armalite with the Aimpoints on them.


  17. garrett1955

    garrett1955 Well-Known Member

    so it seems it's a little easyer with the forward mounted sight??? but then others like the rear mounted sight? what do i do ahhhh the big decision!!!
  18. AK103K

    AK103K Well-Known Member

    I think you would see a lot more of the forward mounted sights and scopes if more people had tried them and saw how well they work. Its usually just a pain and a fair amount of money to get them set up just to try them out though. I also think price is an issue, the Russian stuff is a good bit cheaper than the Ultimak and a good dot sight. Then there is always the "keeping it authentic" thought.

    If you have a dot sight laying around, tape it on the top cover and upper handguard and check it out. It will be sitting a little high on the handguard, but you will get the idea.
  19. garrett1955

    garrett1955 Well-Known Member

    i wouldnt mind it up front so much, but the thing is after every shoot i like to dismantle my gun for a good cleaning. i always take the gas tube off to clean it out and what not. so i dont know how well that will hold a zero, compared to the rear scope mount that seems a little more secure and the same zero when its removed and put back on??? does anyone with the front mount take their gas tube off?
  20. klover

    klover Well-Known Member

    What if you taped it on upside down?

    While you're at it, why not make a steel mount with the rail above the scope, the scope upside down, and a means to reseat so as not to loose center when the tube is removed for cleaning.

    Ok, you talked me into it.... NOW PLEASE GIVE ME THE DIMENSIONS that I need to work with.....anyone tinker out there?:confused:

    I can't afford to buy red dots or acogs simply to get their dimensions. Can anyone please help me out? Collaborators can get a proto type mount for their efforts if I make more than one from relliable info.;)

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