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Almost Got Kicked Out of the Shooting Range

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Kramer Krazy, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. Kramer Krazy

    Kramer Krazy Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    Easley, SC
    Yeah.....I almost got kicked out of the indoor shooting range that I went to on Saturday.......

    My little sister was coming going to my parent's in Columbia, SC, and through emails, I found out that she doesn't recall ever shooting a gun, before. She said she may have shot one of my BB guns 23 years, or so, ago, but she doesn't recall ever shooting. My wife and I were going to go to the local shooting range, Shooters Choice, since my mother and grandmother volunteered to watch our 7-month old daughter.

    We went to the range and signed their little rules and regs sheet and gave them our driver's licenses, as they require. The guy noted that my sister was from Texas and tried to flirt with her, and I'd assumed he checked out that my wife and I were from two hours away (mistake #1). The guy was standing there, watched me just sign the sheet and hand it to him, without actually reading it (mistake #2). I have only been in that range, once, since 1993 or 1994, and never really thought about anything being different than Rex's Indoor Shooting Range in Hendersonville, NC, the range we usually frequent (mistake #3).

    We get into the range, take two lanes, and my wife preceeds to shoot in one lane, as I teach my sister all about the "4 rules", operation of the Ruger MK II, safety features of the gun, and other things. Interesting tid-bit, it was about 95 degrees in there, as their a/c was broken. I was spending most of my time coaching my sister and was not shooting much myself. When my sister was getting a little more comfortable with the little Ruger, the heat was getting to my wife, so she went into an air conditioned area and I took over her lane.

    I shot 10 rounds out of my wife's S&W 5903, because the magazine was already loaded, and I switched to a B-27 silloutette target and pulled out my little Bersa Thunder 380. I am used to practicing multiple, rapid shots, so making sure my sister was reloading (as not to frighten her), I loaded only five rounds and did a rapid fire of all five at the chest of the B-27 at 7 yards. It was a nice 6"-7" group in the 9 and 10 rings. I put the gun down, checked on my sister, and then loaded another five rounds into the little Bersa. When my sister was between shots, I let the five rounds fly through the head of the B-27 with a rapid fire (about another 7" group plastering the head). I get just enough time to drop the mag out of the gun, when the guy who was flirting with my sister comes over to me with a really pissed off look on his face and pulls me out of the range and into the lobby area.

    It is at this time he jumps all over me for doing the rapid firing, and that I wasn't supposed to do that because I'd signed the rules and regs sheet and they had one smallish sign posted that stated that I was supposed to wait a second between each shot fired. I apologized very sincerely, told him I didn't realize it, and that I used to be able to do rapid fire when I was last there. He proceeded to tell me that they NEVER allowed rapid fire, but when I told him I hadn't been there since 1993, he shut up and then stated that they allow double-taps, but not rapid fire. He told me that they usually would kick me out of the range, but since my sister was there visiting, he'd let me stay. I thanked him for being forgiving and went back into the range.

    Once back in my lane, I loaded two more mags of five, blew out the "X" on the B-27 and then started to get pissed at his attitude. Sure, rules are rules, and I broke them, but earlier, as my wife and sister confirmed, someone else was rapid firing further down the range. I don't know if they were warned or escorted out, also, but they were doing 10-15 rounds, as my wife recalled. Also, the guys right next to me were shooting at a B-27 at 7 yards, too, but they were missing the paper completely, whereas I was still doing 6"-7" groups with rapid fire. As I started to think of the guy's attitude, the more ticked I got, and with the sweltering heat in the range, I decided to pack up and leave, as my sister and wife were not having fun with the heat, and I was just didn't like the guy's attitude.

    Anyway.......yeppers, almost got thrown out of the range. I assumed too many things, the main one being that I didn't read their new rules, and am too used to shooting rapid fire at my regular range. I'll probably still go to Shooter's Choice in the future, but I'll pay attention, next time. It isn't the best range I've ever been to, and I'm a little "on edge" when there......there are bullet holes directly overhead in the lane, and HUGE chunks are shot out of the rafters downrange, plus, they had a person (I think it was an employee) accidentally shoot himself in the head with a Desert Eagle 50AE a few years ago. Seeing all of those bullet holes, just makes me a little uneasy......and I can understand their restrictions on rapid fire if their regular customers are anything like the two guys in the lane next to me.
  2. md2lgyk

    md2lgyk Active Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Just one of the many reasons I never go to public ranges.
  3. HankB

    HankB Mentor

    Mar 29, 2003
    Central Texas
    Thrown out of a range . . .

    Almost happened to me once, I'd just set up, fired a few rounds, and the BBF (bearded bas***d flunky) comes in SCREAMING at me for rapid fire.

    All I had that day was a T/C Contender. (In case you don't know, that's a single shot pistol.) Needless to say, the rapid fire came from someone else. Dolt didn't even apologize. I spoke to the range owner next time I was in, and the BBF never harassed me again. (Range owner knew I spent a lot of $$ in his shop.)

    If you pay in advance, just be sure the guy gives you a refund before you leave.
  4. MrTuffPaws

    MrTuffPaws Participating Member

    Oct 7, 2004
    All of the ranges around here do not allow for rapid or double taps.

    At least you admit your mistakes and will not make them again when you go to a new range.
  5. grimjaw

    grimjaw Senior Member

    May 9, 2005
    I went to a public range yesterday to try out the new barrel in a Makarov and to rent a Springfield XD9 to see if I liked it. After going through all the Mak ammo, I packed my things up and went back to the counter to ask to rent a Springfield. I asked him first if they had any Ruger P95's, answer was no. Asked him if they had any Springfield XD9's, answer was no. I was looking at what I swore was a duo-tone model in the rack, so I asked, "what's this one right here", pointing.

    "That's a .45."

    "I mean two or three guns to your left."

    "That's a Beretta."

    "I know what a Beretta looks like, I mean the one to your right of that."

    He picks it up like he's never seen it before, and says, "this is a Springfield."

    You're supposed to fill out a form that lists your experience with the guns you're renting, but he forgot about that, too.

    Rapid fire is common at this range. I've never seen anyone get chewed out for it. I've been reprimanded for safety warnings at the state-operated ranges more than once, and I'm grateful for it. They've been firm but never rude about it, and I've never been singled out.

  6. Jim K

    Jim K Elder

    Dec 31, 2002
    Most ranges ban rapid fire because, in many cases, it is inaccurate and destroys target frames and carriers. In some cases it is PR, because of fears that they will be accused of allowing "terrorists to practice with machine guns" or similar nonsense.

    I was once warned about rapid fire. The odd thing was that I was using a revolver. I admit it did sound a bit like a semi-auto (hell, it sounded like a full auto), but I resolved to slow down a bit. I did point out that all my shots were in the black, so I was no danger to the target frame.

  7. RavenVT100

    RavenVT100 Participating Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    At my range they don't allow rapid fire. But then again, you bring your own target frame, so if you destroy it, it's not like the club is liable or anything.

    Heh, my frame is still going strong, but I'm not going to say there aren't any bullet holes in it. My wife nailed it good once--and the wood went flying.
  8. NoViuM

    NoViuM New Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    DFW, TX
    I've been yelled at a few times for "rapid fire" once I really was, other time it was me and a friend alternating fire out of the same model gun. We spoke to management about the half bald a#@hole hippie who accused us of practicing for drive by's. Now I have a tendancy to shoot pieces of their target stands off.. Testing expansion of various hollow points in 2x4s.
  9. MAUSER88

    MAUSER88 Active Member

    Apr 16, 2004
    I wouldn't go back. I rapid fire at my range all the time.
  10. Kramer Krazy

    Kramer Krazy Active Member

    Dec 1, 2004
    Easley, SC
    I had thought about taking another chunk out of a rafter, but less destructive.....for the last shots of the day, I thought about putting a fresh B-27 up, fully loading a mag for the wife's 5903 (15+1, if I recall correctly), and unloading into the target with a nice, smooth, rapid fire. I figured when he went to throw me out, I'd point out the nice group in the 9 and 10 rings, point out the guys in the other lane, and mention that those guys are the ones he should be worried about when it came to parts of his rafters missing, lights blown out, destroyed stands and cables, and bullet holes directly over one's head while standing at the booth. Maybe I'll do that next time. :evil:
  11. MikeIsaj

    MikeIsaj Active Member

    Mar 8, 2005
    North of the City of Brotherly Love, West of The P
    Sounds to me like the employee has poor communication skills. He had a valid message but delivered it poorly. I'll never understand why people expect calm rational reponses to maniacal behavior. A simple polite reminder of the rule would have been appropriate. I give you credit for admitting your error.

    Now to take the other side. A private range is private property and as such, they are free to set the rules. If you don't like the rules, shoot elsewhere. When I go to a new range I am aware of this and also that shooting is serious business and different people have different tolerances. In the future I would take a moment to read the rules, or any form before I sign it.

    For the record, many ranges prohibit rapid fire because it is one way to keep the riff-raff out. At my favorite range, I've seen more than one person leave because they couldn't rapid fire their "foley" there. Good riddence.

    I won't get into the idea of allowing your sister to shoot unsupervised on her first outing. If you were shooting in the next lane, you were not watching her close enough for her safety or yours. My opinion, others may disagree.

    MAURICE Active Member

    May 22, 2003
    Lincoln, AR
    One outdoor range here does not allow rapid fire, tho there is not an RO on duty, EVER.
    One of the indoor ranges rents out SMGs, so rapid fire is A-O.K. (mp5k is mucho fun :D)
  13. Bruce H

    Bruce H Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    North Mo.
    Somebody really needs to think this through. If a range would sell ammo at very reasonable prices, and encourage rapid fire!!!!!!
  14. Old NFO

    Old NFO Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Arlington, VA
    Where I shoot, full auto is common, so rapid fire is actually kinda "slow"... And yeah Krazy, I had the SAME problem at Shooter's Choice and I will never go back there- I told the manager about it and he blew me off, so I took my business to Lawman's.
  15. jefnvk

    jefnvk Senior Member

    Jun 3, 2004
    The Copper Country, Michigan
    Rule #1: Never sign anything that you haven't read.
    Rule #2: Never assume.
  16. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Senior Member

    May 5, 2004
    I shoot at two indoor ranges, one in PA and one in my home state. Neither allows rapid fire.

    So let me see if I have this straight:

    You went to a range where you haven't been for 12 years. You signed a statement that you had read the rules, even though you did not read the rules. You violated one of the rules. You admit that you violated the rules.

    And you're pissed at the employee for NOT kicking you out for violating the rules, even though he could have?

    I guess I don't have it straight, because I don't understand what your complaint is. You screwed up. Deal with it. Don't blame the range guy for doing his job.
  17. chaim

    chaim Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Baltimore, MD
    Me too, and what was most annoying about that one is I didn't do anything (an idiot friend of mine did).

    At that time a friend of mine had a Ruger P90. I had a Ruger P89. If anyone doesn't know they are pretty much identical guns but one is .45ACP and the other is 9mm. Well, this friend is a bit of a yahoo and decided he wanted to shoot two handed like he's seen in the movies. The range employees came running over to us and proceeded to scream at us and warn us that if they ever have to warn either of us about anything ever again we would be banned for life.

    BTW- It has been about 3 years since I have been shooting with that friend.

    That would seem to make sense. What's funny is I know two indoor ranges that rent full-auto guns (one SMG, the other has a rifle range and has some assault rifles) but don't allow rapid fire with semis or revolvers :banghead:
  18. Fingolfin

    Fingolfin New Member

    Sep 10, 2004
    South Carolina
    Kramer Krazy,

    This is typical of the attitude i've gotten from the staff there at Shooter's Choice. There are a couple of cool guys there, but often either they are range nazis, or trying to tell you how much your gun sucks. I guess they feel they can do that since they the only indoor gig in town. I've heard of worse, but decided to join a club with a private range so I wouldn't have to put up with it anymore.
  19. Missashot

    Missashot Member

    Mar 28, 2005
    Well, in Kramers defense, there weren't any pictures next to the rules. :evil:
  20. Geno

    Geno Elder

    Jun 11, 2005
    Why do CCWers practice? Now, reflect on 3-second rule.

    I practice hundreds, and more typically literally thousands of rounds per month. Conditioned responce, eye-hand coordination, etc. Now, reflect on the last time you were in one of these ranges that permit 1 shot every 3 seconds. How many people have every literally practices "Self-defefensive shooting", firing 1 shot every 3 seconds. That is good justification for shooting at the family farm. Unfortunately, the farm is 3 hours north of me.

    The option, get a range membership. Get to know the owner or manager. Attend as many invitation-only tactical classes as you can and establish yourself as an excellent shot, with excellent self-control physically and emotionally. Then, before shooting, when you want to shoot tactical, defensive, double, even triple taps, in some cases, emptying the magazines...SPEAK WITH THE MANAGER first!

    When shooting as such, this is what I do. Any other practice is a waste of my money, time and expensive ammo. I would rather drive 2 times per month for 1/2 day sessions at the farm, than 15 days per month 1 hour sessions at the indoor range if any other conditions were present. But, have no doubt, that one of the other ranges where I USED to shoot will NOT bend an inch. Single shot, 1 round every 3 seconds...even for CCW holders. To me, it makes no sense. By the way, DO NOT assume that becuase the person is watching the range that they are a gun person. I have seen many who were not, in fact did not even OWN a gun! They were simply assigned there for the day.


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