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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Pop, Apr 12, 2007.

  1. Pop

    Pop Member

    Being a moderator on the nosler website/forums has its perks.
    I could not say anything until now!!!

    Check this out:

    Being a moderator on the nosler website/forums has its perks. :grin:
    I could not say anything until now!!!

    Check this out: :eek:




    This is what Ijust received from Nosler.

    POP: To answer some of the questions, firstly it's not an all copper bullet like some of the competition's lead free bullets so it doesn't share the characteristics, like snapping the petals at a high velocity. That also means it doesn't foul like an all copper bullet, the accuracy is amazing. I saw the results just two days ago, I'll post when I can.

    I'm just waiting for a call back on the price so I can give you a ballpark figure.

    I'll keep you posted.

  2. Pop

    Pop Member



    Just got some more info for you.

    Pricing: It will be slightly more than Partition. (that's a lot less than MRX)

    Availability: Ammunition through Winchester will be first and it will be available prior to hunting season. Bullets will be available fourth quarter of this year.

    That's all I got right at this second. I'll be changing the website off and on all day.
  3. snuffy

    snuffy Well-Known Member

    Won't be long now

    The march toward banning lead in rifle and handgun ammo just took another step! I'm surprised that nosler is going along with it.

    So you think I'm crazy? Several attempts have been made in europe to ban lead in any type of firearm. It failed, but by slim margins. Enviromentalists here in the U.S. have been hollering about some buzzards(condor), getting lead poisening from eating deer or gut piles containing lead bullets.

    We lost the lethality of lead in shotgun loads for waterfowl, now they're bitching about it's use in upland game.

    Thanks nosler, you just lost me as a customer. I'll be damned if I'll suport the lead grabbers with my bullet money!:cuss:
  4. taliv

    taliv Moderator


    i'd like lead-free bullets. i'm not going to freak out about them one way or another. but i'll probably try a box of these.
  5. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    I am not feaking out yet, but snuffy has a point. They will continue to try to ban lead and it will only mean more money to shoot, as if lead and copper prices aren't killing us now. :)

    These type bullets are good for max penetration, but I just don't see the advantage for most game. The good old Nosler Partition and the Remington Core-Locked bullets will work every time. My 2 cents.
  6. The Bushmaster

    The Bushmaster Well-Known Member

    The california condor isn't dying because of lead. It's dying because it is an obsolete bird...:fire:

    I haven't got an opinion on this subject yet as there is a place for this solid bullet right alongside lead/copper bullets. I'll wait...:scrutiny:
  7. PotatoJudge

    PotatoJudge Well-Known Member

    Lead free ammo is great so long as it's an option, not a requirement.

    What does the E-Tip offer that the other bullets don't? What do they have over Partitions, Gamekings, Pro-Hunters, Ballistic Tips, or Core-Lokts? What animal is going to know the difference? Is it's only "advantage" being lead free?

    I'd guess loaded rounds with E-Tips will be about $40-45/20 in 30-06. When the bullets become available, how's $30-35/50 sound? Just speculating.
  8. asknight

    asknight Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one sitting here trying to figure out how he's going to push that 180gr bullet to 3200fps out of his old trusty and reliable .30-06... just to get the expansion advertised in all the ads?

    Barkin-boomin-magnums are in style, yes, but my .30-06 has been quite successful and more affordable to shoot.

    Lead is more affordable and malleable than copper, probably always will be. I'll stick with lead, thank you.
  9. lamazza

    lamazza Well-Known Member

    I don't understand the lead free thing..Doesn't lead come from the earth?
  10. johncolo

    johncolo member

    because the mil has to start using lead free ammo lead gets in to the ground after shooting and could leak in to the water and things like that i dont want to be ingesting led thats what help kill alot of the romans they had running water came from led pipes
  11. win71

    win71 Well-Known Member

    Yes, as does Arsenic, Mercury, Uranium, oil, Asbestos, and many other naturally occurring elements/properties. Problems sometimes become serious when these are concentrated, modified, or added to something and returned to the proximity of living organisms.
  12. joneb

    joneb Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't copper bullets need to be longer to have the same weights as lead ? I guess this gives a potential for better B.C.'s but what about rifles that have slower twist rates will they be limited to only lighter bullets ?
  13. MinnMooney

    MinnMooney Well-Known Member

    I'm ditto'ing PotatoJudge's responce. What we have already works great. I'm not totally against non-lead bullets but with the price of copper as it is, this will make for some slightly more expensive factory loads or bullets for reloading.
  14. CZ57

    CZ57 member

    I understand the good points being made, but if you get an oppurtunity for the hunt of a lifetime, Premium Bullets and load development would be part of my Pre-Hunt preperation. I am a fan of NOSLER products and in reality, if a Partition won't do it, you're probably talking about dangerous game where solids might be required, anyway. But, NOSLER is following a precedent established by Barnes with the X-Bullet that's been around, what? 15 years?;)

    I like it!

    Hey Pop! KLN357 from the other place.
  15. jr81452

    jr81452 Well-Known Member

    i'm liking the potential on moose from my 300 win mag:) so long as the price is more partition and less a-square i'll work up some loads with them.
  16. Doug b

    Doug b Well-Known Member

    Pop thanks for the input.Can't wait to give them a try.Any other cals. on the horizon?
  17. scout26

    scout26 Well-Known Member

    Lead in the form of shot or spent bullts are not a problem. Lead form such sources doesn't leach into ground water as it quickly gets a outer layer of oxidation that prevents/(e.g. reeeaaaallllllyyyy ssssslllllooooowwwws down) any further breakdown. Look for/Search companies that recover/reclaim shot from trap and skeet fields and re-sell it to re-loaders. Normally all they do is seperate out the rocks, sticks and other organic matter, add some graphite to it (so it pours better), bag it up, and sell it.

    Where lead causes problems is if you eat it, but it has to be in the right form.

    For people (kids) the most common source is old lead paint. The problem is that the old lead paints peel and chip (and old lead paint chips do have a "sweet" taste), and kids would/will eat them like potato chips. Lead in this form can and will enter the blood stream and cause lead poisoning. Sanding off old lead based paints can also allow lead to enter the blood stream through inhaling the leaded paint dust. Wear a good mask whenever sanding an older home or other item that may have been painted with lead. You can eat a lead bullet or some lead shot and pretty much not suffer any ill effects, as it wil just pretty much pass through, but I wouldn't do it a lot.

    For Critters, similiar situation. They have to consume the lead somehow. The how's and why's are open to debate/discussion. But it has to get into the blood stream to cause problems.
  18. Davo

    Davo Well-Known Member

    I wonder if those BC's are accurate.
  19. The Bushmaster

    The Bushmaster Well-Known Member

    Asknight...Good point. I have no problem pushing a 180 grain lead/copper bullet to 2700 fps, but 3200 fps? I'm not sure even by Browning .30-06 can get that...As far as the lead contamination is concerned...Dont eat the dirt...:D
  20. dakotasin

    dakotasin Well-Known Member

    besides price? dunno... nosler has always done a good job of keeping their prices higher than they should be.

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