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Another liberal who "doesn't get it"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by cracked butt, Mar 30, 2004.

  1. cracked butt

    cracked butt Well-Known Member

    Saw this letter to the editor in this month's issue of Outdoor Life.

    Gun-Toting Liberals
    As a liberal hunter and gun-owning Democrat, I was happy to see the recent Snap Shots article acknowledging that I am not such an anomaly [“The Democratic Party Wants You,†February/March].

    Most Democrats I know aren’t interested in banning guns, only in “reasonable†regulation. And the fact remains that most proposed gun regulation has virtually no impact on hunters.

    Frankly, I’m more worried about the government selling off the places where I camp, fish and hunt (or allowing industry to pollute those places with impunity) than I am about the government coming to get my guns.

    Please continue to show that liberals and Democrats are not automatically enemies of gun owners and hunters.

    Tim Howe
    Wauconda, IL

  2. Mulliga

    Mulliga Well-Known Member


    Just for once I'd like one of these "hunters" to read the entire Constitution, Bill of Rights (including the preamble), and Declaration of Independence, and tell me where the "right to hunt" or the "right to keep and bear arms for hunting and sport" is listed anywhere...
  3. MikeB

    MikeB Well-Known Member

    I guess that liberal hunter wasn't paying attention when Ted Kennedy was talking about .30-30 ammo piercing armor, and the bill he introduced to ban armor piercing ammo. Being that almost any hunting round will pierce most body armor; looks like the Dem's do want the hunting rifles too.

    And I second the comments about hunting and the constitution above.

    BTW I don't hunt, and of all the gun owners I know, most don't hunt either. I wonder how long ago the anti's would have taken the hunting rifles if all us non-hunters weren't fighting the battle. It'd be nice if hunters like the one in the article would recognize this and reciprocate.
  4. Delmar

    Delmar Well-Known Member

    It already exists, and is called the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution, and is all that is required or necessary.
  5. cracked butt

    cracked butt Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys, you are a breath of fresh air.
    This morning I also posted this on a Hunting forum website and most of the responses were in tune with the editorial writer's stance: evil corporations taking away hunting land is more important than rifles :barf:
  6. Delmar

    Delmar Well-Known Member

    Cracked Butt-I do cherish my hunting land, but the RKBA is so much more important that I can't even mention hunting in the same paragraph.
  7. cracked butt

    cracked butt Well-Known Member

    I should also mention that this is just some clueless fool writing into Outdoor life and from my observations is about 180 degrees different from the view on guns from the Magazine and its writers. I've been subscribing to OL and F&S for years and if anything, the magazines are strongly pro-2A.
  8. Foreign Devil

    Foreign Devil Well-Known Member

    He doesn't actually say what he means by reasonable but I have a bad feeling he may mean stupid things like the assault weapons ban.

    I am a democrat and by no means are all democraats against guns. I am sort of a Zell Miller democrat(senator from Georgia). Im my area republicans have no political power anyway.
  9. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    The 2nd Amendment

    ,,,Does NOT state that we have the right to keep and bear Sporting Goods.
    It says that we have the right to keep and bear arms...I read that as the right to own and carry...and the 2nd doesn't make any specifications as to how, when, or where I may carry.

    Just MY nickel's worth...

    Last edited: Mar 30, 2004
  10. Brian Dale

    Brian Dale Well-Known Member

    Another one for the Quotes file. Thanks, Tuner!
  11. Sam Adams

    Sam Adams Well-Known Member

    This uninformed idiot, like most other lieberal Dems, needs to learn history. Those who proposed the 2nd Amendment in 1789 and ratified it in 1791 had just fought a brutal, bloody and costly war against the world's most powerful empire to win their (and our) freedom. They were engaged in creating a government that they hoped would be a beacon to all of humanity and which they hoped would last in perpetuity. In other words, they were serious men engaged in the most serious of tasks. Yet this f'ing moron thinks that in the midst of all of that seriousness, these hard-core, freedom-fighting revolutionaries would insert a clause into the basic document of our society that protected SPORT ?

    That someone could even make a statement like that speaks volumes.
  12. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Just what do these idiot hunters think will happen when all "hunting land" is owned by the government ... do they think Peta and other animal rights/environazis have no pull with liberal politicritters?

    What liberals like this guy don't get is if they get the guys they want in power the government may not come take your hunting rifle, but they will decide that hunting on "public land" is illegal and there won't be any of that private land owned by evil corporations (thats code word for you and me) for them to hunt on ... oh ... then they'll just come and take your guns since you don't need it to hunt anymore.
  13. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    Tim, it's about liberty, not sport.

    BTW, buy your own hunting land, you parasite. Get out of the wagon, you are heavy.
  14. axeman_g

    axeman_g Well-Known Member

    Wow ...

    Most times I agree with things that are said on this board, and I DO agree with the point of view the basic view that there is no difference in gun ownership between a .30/.30 Marlin lever and a AR15. Neither should be regulated beyond the 2A.

    However, what I do disagree with is that general attitude of this thread towards this apparently politically ignorant individual. Usually this forum is a haveb a somewhat reasonable discussion. But you all are acting as if this gun is personally fanning you with a loaded shotgun. These above comments were the same ones I saw for the range morons.

    I started my gun ownership because of hunting and I continue to hunt still. My views when I started hunting where the same as the gentleman's in the letter to OL, "Why does someone need an AR, you cant hunt with it?". I soon learned my mistaken thought processes and realized that any more infringments on my 2a rights would eventually end up with me trying to hit flushing quail with a boomerang! Therefore I support RKBA to protect my right to enjoy my pastime, protect myself and my family.

    Liberal Hunters (I am a borderline case) like this are an untapped resource of RKBA voting power. We need to stress that downhill slope of 2A infringements. We need to let the "sporting gentry" see that eventually their gamebags will be empty because boomerangs dont fly well in grouse coverts.

    Educate this individual, dont scare him away.

    El Tejon ... thats a really nasty statement to make. I do pay for government land in my taxes and support of my states DNR through contributions. I cant afford 200+ acres of land at $4000 an acre .. can you?

  15. dairycreek

    dairycreek Well-Known Member

    Liberal Laws?

    Like a trout rising to a fly I must respond to your comment about "reasonable regulation". In my experience (67 years old now) that has been a real oxymoron. Each set of regulations here in Oregon has eroded more and more of my personal freedoms as a gun owner and gun user. Each time the politicians set out to regulate RKBA it is wrapped in the flag accompanied by the mantra of keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals! ! The result has been that criminals in Oregon pay no attention at all to the gun control laws but folks like me (law abiding) find that another barier has been established. Next time the legislature meets it starts again. How about enforcing the myriad of laws on the books (which is done seldom and poorly) and truly aim at the criminal element - not law abiding people? FWIW
  16. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

    Mike, he's from Illinois. There's almost nothing he can legally hunt with a centerfire rifle. Coyotes, maybe raccoons? He would hunt deer with a shotgun.

    And I guess the fact that his state's Democratic party chose one of the most ban-happy anti-gun NUTS in the U.S. Congress to run for governorship and be its official party figurehead means nothing to him.

    In Wauconda, though, most Republicans and Democrats have very few differences except which party would do the best job of implementing the ideas they both support.
  17. 1911Tuner

    1911Tuner Moderator Emeritus

    Educate Him?

    axeman said:

    Educate this individual, dont scare him away.

    The only problem with that approach is that people of this ilk have their
    minds firmly made up and won't allow a fact to confuse the issue.

    Rather than try to plow the sea, why not just respond with:

    "What does need have to do with it? You don't NEED a Mercedes.
    A pickup truck will do. You don't NEED a Filet Mignon'...A tofu burger
    will serve the same purpose. You don't even NEED a television set.
    A newspaper will provide all the information and entetainment that you NEED.

    When we allow the powers that be to determine what we need or don't need...where will it stop? What facet of our lives will be safe if "they" can
    determine what we do or don't NEED?

    I agree with the people who take offense at this moron's statements.
    Ask him just who the hell he is to propose what you or I NEED...This is
    AMERICA by Almighty God. I reserve the right to determine my NEEDS.

    Rant off...Be of good cheer and mindful of your six.

  18. bogie

    bogie Well-Known Member

    Guys, pick your battles well, and fight them wisely.

    Face it - your average hunter doesn't know, nor care, about the 2nd amendment. They don't WANT to know... Instead of informing them that we'd be pledging allegiance to the Queen of England, just let 'em know about the "reasonable" restrictions, such as bans on centerfire rifle ammunition, that politicians (of just about any party...) have tried to sneak past.
  19. csmkersh

    csmkersh Well-Known Member

    "...the second amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey and Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It is for hunting politicians, like [in] Grozny, [and in] 1776, when they take your ndependence away."
    B1 Bob Dornan

    "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
    -- Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D-Minnesota)

    Sadly, it no longer seems such a remote possibility anymore.
  20. axeman_g

    axeman_g Well-Known Member

    Agreed ..

    But we do need to educate the fence sitters ... tell hunters that they're sporting arms are next. That the hobby and traditions they cherish will be legislated away from them ... then they will just look foolish driving the Land Rover in a useless Barbour upland jacket and an empty shotgun drawer.

    CSMKersh ... can I use that Humphrey quote?


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