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Anti-Affirmative Action bake sales turning violent

Discussion in 'Legal' started by jimpeel, Dec 24, 2003.

  1. jimpeel

    jimpeel Senior Member

    Jan 2, 2003
    Kimball, NE
    College Bake Sales Spark Conflict

    Wed Dec 24, 4:56 AM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!

    By MELANTHIA MITCHELL, Associated Press Writer

    SEATTLE - Campus bake sales by conservatives who oppose affirmative-action are cooking up discord — and complaints about restrictions on free speech.

    Organizers charge white students $1 for a cookie, while blacks and other minorities pay 25 to 95 cents. Doughnuts are available for 50 cents to everyone except Asian Americans and whites, who cannot purchase them.

    Unfair? So is affirmative action, organizers contend.

    "It's a good example of what affirmative action does, judging people based on race," said Jason Chambers, president of the University of Washington College Republicans, which held a sale in October that shut down when some students began attacking the booth.

    "People were upset. People did feel offended," said Anthony Rose, president of the UW Black Student Union. "You see something like that, you feel itemized."

    In September, Southern Methodist University shut down a similar event by the Young Conservatives of Texas.

    Similar bake sales have been held since February at the University of California-Berkeley, the University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University, Northwestern University near Chicago, the University of Michigan and Indiana University.

    A conservative watchdog group in Philadelphia contends some universities are violating students' constitutional freedoms by restricting the protests.

    "They cannot defend in public what they have done to the First Amendment at the University of Washington," said Thor Halvorssen, CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. "There is no question that the administration would never censor a group of students holding a peaceful protest in favor of affirmative action."

    The UW College Republicans' Oct. 8 bake sale took place about the same time as a step performance by a traditionally black fraternity and drew plenty of attention.

    Chambers said students engaged in a couple hours of good, heated discussion, until some began yelling and tearing down signs, even throwing cookies at members of the conservative group.

    "I really thought that everyone on campus could maintain their composure and have a civil discussion without getting violent. I was really surprised that it went that far," Chambers said.

    UW spokesman Robert Roseth said the administration had nothing to do with the shutdown. The group's members dismantled the booth voluntarily after the office of student affairs asked them if they wished to take it down, he said.

    Rose, a 20-year-old junior majoring in American Ethnic Studies, backs up the university's account.

    "It was for their own safety," Rose said. "They shut themselves down."

    In a letter responding to the melee, Board of Regents President Jerry Grinstein expressed disappointment with the sale.

    "The statements of the UW College Republicans in putting on a bake sale about affirmative action were tasteless, divisive and hurtful to many members of the university community," he wrote.

    In the incident at Southern Methodist University, organizers described the event as a bake sale — not an anti-affirmative-action protest — in their application for event space, said Jim Caswell, vice president for student affairs.

    Had the university known it was a demonstration, a more appropriate location would have been chosen, Caswell said. A staff member thought the friction was likely to escalate, and stopped the event, he said.

    "I think it's important to note that freedom of expression was not the issue, it was the hostile environment created by the Young Conservatives' failure to fully disclose their intentions," Caswell said.
  2. Glock Glockler

    Glock Glockler Participating Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Southern NH
    Had the university known it was a demonstration, a more appropriate location would have been chosen

    Oh, I'm sure, probably one a few miles away where no one would be. Can't let opposing thoughts get out, now can we?

    Caswell said. A staff member thought the friction was likely to escalate, and stopped the event, he said.

    Why not just call a few cops and let the chips fall where they may? If those thugs assaults someone they should be arrested, but they should not be shut down because of the inability of someone else to control themselves and refrain from breaking the law.

    I think it's important to note that freedom of expression was not the issue, it was the hostile environment created by the Young Conservatives' failure to fully disclose their intentions

    Maybe your BS racist programs are what's causing hostility and division, not my acts which are bringing attention to it.
  3. Cool Hand Luke 22:36

    Cool Hand Luke 22:36 member

    Oct 19, 2003
    Arlington, VA
    It's amazing how closely this situation mirriors what goes on in the "real world" outside of the Universities.

    In the office where I work, the flyers and e-mails announcing the office Christmass party clearly state that the secretarial staff would be charged $14 to attend, and the rest of us charged $24.

    The secretarial staff is about 100% Black, and the rest of us about 90% White.

    The average secretary in the office probably makes about half again as much as the average entry-level non-secretarial worker. So their income is actually about mid-range for the whole office. And they have overtime available to them at time-and-a-half rates that us salaried folks don't have.

    There's absolutely no fairness to this. It's just assumed that since these people are Black they must be needy or have less than the rest of us.

    They pressure us constantly to contribute money to gift-cards to the secretarys also. Even to the extent of listing expected minimums.

    I have yet to contribute a penny or attend one of their Christmass (shakedown) parties.
  4. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Senior Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Where the one eyed man is king
    Ethnic studies?
  5. HankB

    HankB Mentor

    Mar 29, 2003
    Central Texas
    No surprise here. Those who favor racist polices - like "affirmative action" - are unlikely to respect the rights of others.
  6. makarov1

    makarov1 New Member

    Jul 12, 2003
    It sounds as if University administrators have already decided that the bake sales will turn violent sooner rather than later. They just assume that the minority "customers" at the bake sale will not exercise self-control and attack a vendor. I can't help but notice.....the soft bigotry of low expectations. Guess what folks, when the bar is lowered, performance suffers. Low expectations from the PC crowd are probably more damaging than any overt racism. From Elementary school, through High School and beyond, the bar is set low for minorities, and it shows.
  7. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Colorado Springs
    Hostile environment created by the Young Conservatives?!

    Thats the same as saying "that girl deserved to be raped for going out in public alone" :fire:

    Its the so-called "tolerant" liberals who have created the "hostile enviroment".
  8. Jeff Thomas

    Jeff Thomas Member

    Dec 29, 2002
    Nashville, TN
    Brilliant idea ... would love to see such bake sales proliferate. Excellent way of making the point ... and coincidentally showing "progressives" and "liberals" for the violent types they really are at heart.

    Regards from TX
  9. nemesis

    nemesis Active Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Texas, On The Border
    We will continue to endure these problems and protests as long as uppity white people have these notions that they are somehow due the same rights as minorities.
  10. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Leftists can dish it out, but they can never seem to take it.
  11. MikeK

    MikeK Active Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Where's the ACLU?
  12. MrAcheson

    MrAcheson Participating Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Newark, DE and APG, MD
    The ACLU only gets involved when Conservatives treat Liberals like this. Not the other way around.
  13. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Participating Member

    Nov 13, 2003
    Yeah, those Freedom Riders caused quite a few hostile envrionments too, didn't they.
  14. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Senior Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Patently and demonstrably untrue.

    Do you suppose maybe the Young Conservatives might not turn to the ACLU?

    The ACLU supports all free speech, not just liberal free speech.

    I'm tired of seeing kneejerk responses like this. Get the facts.
  15. I'mSpartacus!

    I'mSpartacus! New Member

    Dec 23, 2003
    West Coast
    I can guess which side the DNC and Howard Dean would take on this issue.
  16. USAFA

    USAFA New Member

    Sep 10, 2003
    Californian in exile
    Free expression has to be approved first, right?
    Duh, what were THEY thinking?
  17. Sean Smith

    Sean Smith Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    I guess we have to list physical attack under typical "progressive" tactics nowadays when they are confronted with an idea they dislike. ;)
  18. clubsoda22

    clubsoda22 member

    Jul 16, 2003
    SE PA
    I don't get it, if we held a bake sale like this at my college we'd have the entire community there buying discount baked goods. This really has to be done in an area where minorities aren't ashamed of taking affirmative action.
  19. Nightfall

    Nightfall Participating Member

    Feb 24, 2003
    Clever way of getting the point across.

    So why can't we all just pay the dollar? What's so racist about equality?
  20. Smoke

    Smoke Senior Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Bosque County, Texas
    Isn't the office of student affairss part of the administration?
    I've had cop ask me if I wished to go home....and it was implied it would be best if I did...how did they do their asking?


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