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Anti-AWB-sunset article

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Min, Sep 20, 2004.

  1. Min

    Min Active Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Houston, TX

    Expiration of assault weapons ban makes us less safe

    Day by day the world is fast becoming an ever more violent place and when we have the power to lessen, even by one iota, the hardware used to inflict violence we should take whatever measures we can to make it safer.

    The expiration this week of the assault weapons ban is one step backward in contemporary society's attempt to bring a degree of sanity to the proliferation and sale of military-style armaments in everyday life.

    The 10-year ban against the manufacture, sale and importation of 19 military-style semiautomatic weapons, such as the AK-47 and the Uzi, was of questionable success. Manufacturers were able to sidestep the law by making minor adjustments to comply with the letter of the law. And semiautomatic weapons manufactured prior to 1994 were not affected by the legislation.

    Despite the law's limited effectiveness, there is a seam of irony as rich as the gilded purse strings of the pro-gun lobby that cowed craven lawmakers from seeking a renewal of the ban.

    It is ironic that at a time when the current administration constantly raises issues of homeland security that they would discard a law that sought to restrict, in a limited sense, the availability of weapons whose sole design and intent is for military use in armed conflict. In other words, to kill people.

    To the surprise of no one, the National Rifle Association heralds the law's demise as one step in the restoration of individual liberties. The NRA proclaims that citizenry will be free to once again purchase these weapons for target shooting, shooting competitions, hunting (?), collecting and self-defense.

    And yet why did every major law enforcement organization in the United States support this measure in 1994? Is it because of the five children shot dead in a Stockton, Calif., schoolyard in 1989, or the four Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents killed at the Branch-Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, in 1993? Or is it because of the extraordinary firepower that can penetrate body armor?

    What has been gained by the law's expiration? The evidence is that the law had a limited and mitigating effect in preventing the manufacture and sale of semiautomatic weapons. True sportsmen were not impacted and gun dealers

    were inconvenienced. Today, the general public, but primarily law enforcement officers will face a criminal element more easily armed with deadly weapons.

    We cannot live our lives in a state of constant fear, but we can take comfort in the belief that we are moving in the right direction when it comes to the protection of society and peacekeepers. Unfortunately we have turned the wrong corner this week and made our world a little less safe then it was last week.


    What idiocy.
  2. ilcylic

    ilcylic Participating Member

    Sep 14, 2004
    Desert Southwest, USA
    Man, if you look at Waco and then think the problem there was the 4 feds who got killed... your priorities are beyond my comprehension.

  3. Reno

    Reno Member

    Apr 3, 2004
    The article explicitly says that there was pretty much effect on manufacturing and sales, yet still touts the ban as important. Where's the logic?
  4. Tharg

    Tharg Active Member

    Jun 17, 2003
    DFW TX
    Same logic as "ours" .... any foot or inch you get - means you an look at another inch. That inch can become a mile and the goal is the distance it takes to disarming america.

    The logic *I* fail to understand is how anyone who is a thinking human being can even EVER look at a AK or a uzi or whatever, and call it "more powerfull" than whatever. If anything the only thing that made them more powerful was the only clause in the AWB that made any sense at all. The 10 round magazine.

    No need to crucify me - i don't like the 10 rounders any more than the rest of you. And the criminals of course - don't give a flip what the law says if they can get thier hands on bigger mags... they will. Just like those guys in cali did when they came w/ body armour and fully auto guns - doubt they cared that they had been banned in '34.... god forbid i see another news story on the '94 AWB and see that footage again that had nothing to do w/ the AWB in the slightest sense. At least if yer looking at anything other than "cosmetics"

    I would guess a larger mag is the only thing that would qualify them as "more powerful" but even then - i've seen/heard/known people who can swap a mag quicker than most of us can blink....


  5. mini14jac

    mini14jac Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    OK, my memory is not that great, and I do remember an ATF agent shooting himself in the leg, (on film!), but were there 4 agents killed?

    That doesn't sound right.
  6. ckyllo

    ckyllo Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    why is it that most stories against the ban point out that they are so powerful that they can punch through body armor? I am sure that they know that any rifle can punch through soft body armor. I even heard a report that a 17hrm in a rifle can also breach body armor. the ? after hunting, my ARs have taken out many coyotes and alot of praire dogs, I guess that isnt hunting?
  7. FPrice

    FPrice Senior Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts
    "OK, my memory is not that great, and I do remember an ATF agent shooting himself in the leg, (on film!), but were there 4 agents killed?"

    Four agents were in fact killed trying to enter the compound in the initial assault. The government claims that they were killed by the Branch Dividians but there is still some controversy about this. Others claim that these agents were killed by "friendly fire". I do not know for sure myself so I can't really comment.

    Except that an indirect cause of their deaths was the government's bungling of the whole situation. I read a report that that claimed that agents bragged about the upcoming raid to a postman who immediately went to the compound to warn the people inside. Not much OPSEC there.

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