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Any fans of the 20" AR15 ?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by mp5a3, Jul 17, 2009.

  1. mp5a3

    mp5a3 Well-Known Member

    Almost all of the AR's I see are 16" M4 style, I wanted to see if anyone preferred the 20" w/ the fixed stock. My Buhmaster XM15 was my first ever AR15 and I would find it hard to sell. I've heard that no one wants to buy this style and they sell for much less.

    Also a question, what's an "HBAR" barrel ? I did some research but didn't find anything on it.
  2. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Heavy Barrel Accurized Rifle

    Some other people may know the history of "HBAR" a lot better than I.

    I have a 20" AR with a fixed stock. I like shooting it.

    The 16" has been popular lately, for various reasons, not the least of which was the expiration of the Clinton gun ban that didn't allow collapsible stocks.

    There are several markets for the AR, though. There are the "gotta have one" buyers, serious target shooters, varmint hunters, 3-gun competitors, National Match competitors... Each one favors certain characteristics.
  3. Z-Michigan

    Z-Michigan Well-Known Member

    I'm a fan of the 20". Easy to shoot accurately, and unless you're riding around in an APC or kicking in doors, it is still light and handy.

    HBAR is short for heavy barrel. It's what most commercial ARs have now, but really doesn't make a lot of sense. It weighs about a pound more and it does only very, very little for accuracy and heat capacity. For some reason most commercial AR makers adopted it during the ban years, however. You can get the lighter government profile setup from CMMG, Bushmaster (occasional run), Model 1 Sales, I think J&T Distributing and Double Star, and probably others.
  4. OurSafeHome.net

    OurSafeHome.net Well-Known Member

    I once bested an assailant in close combat using a M-16A2 (20" Barrel, fixed stock).

    The encounter was so close that I was only able to club my attacker with the weapon, rather than shoot him. I broke the stock (and my attacker's collar bone) in the process.

    So, the "fixed" stock worked, for precisely one strike, then needed to be "fixed"...
  5. briansmithwins

    briansmithwins Well-Known Member

    I like them ok. They are a little long but with a light barrel the balance is very nice.

    HBAR refers to a heavy barrel. It pretty much keeps the chamber thickness out the whole way to the muzzle. That makes for a stiffer barrel but also a more awkward one.

    Me at a rifle match last weekend. BSW


  6. Shung

    Shung Well-Known Member

    love it on my govt profile barrel.. hate it with a HBAR.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2009
  7. dscottw88

    dscottw88 Well-Known Member

    +1, I dislike the HBARs. I do happen to like the 20" AR15, but honestly, everytime I pick up a 16" or 14.5", I can't help but appreciate the smaller lighter carbine that can do 90% os what the 20" can do.

  8. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    dscott: isn't that an HBAR?
  9. dscottw88

    dscottw88 Well-Known Member

    Negative ghostrider, gov profile. The extra pound in weight makes a difference, specially when hanging off the front. So I decided to just grab the lighter of the two.
  10. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Looks just like my heavy barrel 20". Not a NM barrel with a REALLY heavy section under the HG, but a heavy profile 20" barrel (which I like -- mine doesn't seem as heavy as some describe).

    briansmithwins, above, is shooting a government profile AFAIK.

    Obviously, I can't see under the handguards.
  11. Shung

    Shung Well-Known Member

    the govt profile is extruded in between the front sight and the barrel nut.. You cannot see it with the handguard still on..

    but there is a HUGE weight difference with an HBAR . AT least when handling it
  12. briansmithwins

    briansmithwins Well-Known Member

    Negative. That a CMMG lightweight barrel. It’s A1 profile makes for a light 20” rifle. BSW
  13. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    You left out the Guardsmen who wants more prctice and familiarization than they can get at the yearly qualification/pre-deployment mob station inundation of training. I bought a 16" M4gery from the CMMG Bargain Bin right before they ended the program, it is an excellent rifle and does exactly what I want it to, plus it is a superb home defense weapon for me. Can't imagine I'll ever need it for that, but it's good for it. Looking back on it I think I would have postponed buying a pistol I got around the same time to get on of their 20" fixed stock bargain bin rifles to go with it.

    How does a fixed stock 16" handle? Seems like it would be extremely fast to get on target.
  14. aftCG

    aftCG Active Member

    I've got 3 ARs. One is a 20" fixed stock I got so my kid could get into DCM NM (hasn't happened yet). Of the three it's the best shooter hands down mostly, I'm sure, due to the stainless Shilen barrel.
    I got over the fixed carry handle right away and threw on a compact ACOG. Sweet.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2009
  15. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Ah. That explains it.:)
  16. TurboFC3S

    TurboFC3S Well-Known Member

    +2 on the hate a 20" HBAR ... makes it a bench rifle primarily. The beauty of the AR is firepower in a light mobile platform. It was always meant to have a 'light' profile 20" barrel, and in that config just feels right. I've built 2, one with a Govt profile and one with the CMMG Med-Con barrel, neither with any tacti-cool foolishness on them. They both feel and shoot beautifully, I can stand and bang with them all day.
  17. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    My heavy barrel (maybe not true HBAR profile?) 20" is good for "stand and bang" -- good offhand practical accuracy, enough to win me some stuff at the range. Not fatiguing.

    How many profiles are there out there that look "military" -- not counting bull, varmint, etc. styles?

    I never gave much thought to exactly which profile I had. When I bought the thing, it was what was available... The world is a better place, now.:D
  18. P.B.Walsh

    P.B.Walsh Well-Known Member

    I like the classic look of a standard 20" AR-15. :)
  19. Shung

    Shung Well-Known Member

  20. 61chalk

    61chalk Well-Known Member

    Got a Colt '78 AR with HBAR 20'' upper. I like it just fine, very accurate. Weight of a rifle doesn't bother me for hauling around at the range or hunting. It just has a scope on it, an feels like the same weight of my Garand when they are loaded. Last time at the range the AR HBAR was hitting a 9" Iron triangle at 540 yds. 12 out of 20 shots hit it. Not bad for a cheap 9X scope.

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