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Any reason to choose STI/SVI over common 1911s in USPSA??

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Ughh, May 28, 2010.

  1. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    Hello thr, well as the title implies: Is there any reason to choose a STI/SVI 1911 over a common 1911 from like Kimber, SA, Para, etc... for USPSA/IDPA use?? (USPSA - single stack division and/or Limited 10 division.)

    Keep in mind that I'm not talking about STI/SVI hi-cap models, or the 2011 models. I'm just asking about the 1911s.
    Last edited: May 29, 2010
  2. Kingofthehill

    Kingofthehill Well-Known Member

    They are great shooting guns. I use my Trojan in competition over all my other 1911's
  3. Quack

    Quack Well-Known Member

    yes, STI has a contingency program.
  4. Zak Smith

    Zak Smith Moderator Staff Member

    I'd say superior quality, if you have the money.
  5. Boba Fett

    Boba Fett Well-Known Member

    I was at my local dealer and was looking at a Kimber. I know the owner fairly well and he said that if I wanted a 1911 to check out the STI.

    He didn't tell my anything about how great they were or why they were better than Kimber...he just opened the case and took one out and told me to rack the slide and try the trigger.

    Night and day difference between the STI and the Kimber. I would say the STI has a much more precise and crisp feel to it.

    The slide is like rubbing a stick of butter on a hot Teflon pan...silky smooth.

    I'm still not sold on the 1911 platform yet (personal preference...nothing against 1911), but if I get one it will be an STI. My dad picked up one and he really loves it. I've shot it and compared to the Kimbers or Springfields I've shot, it is in a league of its own.

    Another great reason to buy it is that it's made in Texas! :D
  6. Zak Smith

    Zak Smith Moderator Staff Member

    I shot a .45 1911 in L-10 and it's a decent setup for that division, although not as gamey as you can get obviously.
  7. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    Yea but for the extra money, is it necessary?

    Really? there is a trigger difference? Regardless, even if the trigger is better, is that all, just a trigger feel difference for that much extra??
  8. Kingofthehill

    Kingofthehill Well-Known Member

    what do you mean is it necessary for the extra money?

    A $1200 Trojan is FAR superior then the equivalent $1200 Kimber. So yes, it is necessary.

    If you are going to shell out $1200 and you want a Mechanically superior 1911, look at STI. Not to mention their accuracy and customer service is way better then kimber. OH! and they don't rust while on the shelves of the gun shop.

    And yes, i own plenty of kimbers and i have had to use both Kimber and STI's customer service so im speaking from first hand experience and not spreading internet gossip.
  9. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    However is a $1200 Trojan that much better than a $700 Kimber Custom II--not TLE or RL/TLE, or any upper end kimbers.
  10. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    or Springfield Armory Loaded models.
  11. LeonCarr

    LeonCarr Well-Known Member

    STIs win. Period. I have seen shooters jump a class, including one finally jumping to Master Class from A Class after years of trying with single stacks, just by switching to an STI. Why? Much better reliability, higher capacity, much better workmanship. I seriously doubt that there are any MIM parts in an STI or SVI. The SVIs are basically the same gun(flame suit on) but you see more STIs in the hands of the big name shooters. If winning is everything, STIs are worth the money for USPSA.

    As far as single stacks go, I would choose a STI Trojan over just about any 1911 out there. Even the STI Spartan is better than most of them. If I were a 1911 guy, it would be an STI.

    Just my .02,
    Last edited: May 29, 2010
  12. Boba Fett

    Boba Fett Well-Known Member

    No, that is not all. It is not just the trigger.

    Read the rest of my post, the slide / action is just way better.

    Is it that much better than a Kimber or Springfield? I don't know...I'm not you. A bit clunkier may be alright to you, and no big deal if that's the case. To me, yes it is worth it. And they really aren't that much more expensive so why not go with the better pistol.

    The overall operation of the STI 1911 is just smoother, crisper, and better than the other 1911s I've shot.
  13. Kingofthehill

    Kingofthehill Well-Known Member

    Simply put. YES.

    You could also find one Used like i did. I bought mine Used for $725. It was the BEST money I have ever spent on a 1911. I was using my Springfield Loaded fully worked by Jim Hoag and it has done very well for me and im probably $2500 into that gun, but my STI Trojan is a better gun for competition.

    I could only imagine one of STI's high end models!...

    I wish i lived near you so you could shoot it, If you shot it, it would make total sense. The ONLY 1911 i have right now that comes even close to my STI Trojan is my Les Baer.

    Both of those blow my 3 Dan wessons, 4 Springfields, 3 Kimbers, NightHawk and Wilson away.

  14. Boba Fett

    Boba Fett Well-Known Member

    I haven't shot them, but I have drooled on them a few times ;)

    Expensive, but really nice.
  15. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    Your .02 is nice, thank you. It's unbiased and not too opinionated. But doesn't Rob Leatham shoot a Springfield 1911? What about Todd Jarrett and his Para 1911's?
  16. Ughh

    Ughh Well-Known Member

    Wow.... I think I really will look into an STI. I wish you lived around here too so I can test it out.

    Normally when I ask about brands like when I made a thread back then about Para's 1911s, it was half-n-half about Para Ordnance being bad quality and the other half saying they're good. Some said the finish they use for their non-stainless models sucked, some said it was nice. Everyone said their customer service sucks though. But then here, even if it's a modest 10 or so people sharing their opinions, so far it's unanimously positive about the STI over the common, reputable companies' 1911s. :D
    Last edited: May 30, 2010
  17. Quack

    Quack Well-Known Member

    and some more reading for you.

    yes i know that it's for a 9mm, but it just shows the accuracy and quality of a $1000 gun. if you look on the 1911 forum, there are posts of the Trojan being as accurate than semi-customs that cost twice as much.


  18. Quack

    Quack Well-Known Member

    they don't shoot 1911's that come off the production line, both have their guns built.

    here's a look at Rob Leatham's guns:
    http://robleatham.com/Rob Leatham gun vault.htm

    FWIW, the Rob Leatham TGO-1 is one of my favorite 1911's that i own :D
  19. Kingofthehill

    Kingofthehill Well-Known Member

    I think to a certain extent its a case of "its not the Arrow its the Indian".

    I don't own any more Para's, i had bad luck with them... not saying they can't be made nice and reliable, it just wasn't worth it to me when i can buy X that works perfect from the get go.

    BUT if Para came to me with a sponsorship and flew me around the US and paid for my ammo, Id shoot Para in a heartbeat.

    If Latham picked up a Steyr M9, people would buy em'. If he shot Beretta, he would do just as well i think.

    I was a Sponsored RC car racer for Team Losi. At the time I was more into Team Associated but Losi paid my way so I was a Losi driver.

    Just because X person shoots X brand, it doesn't mean they couldn't do just as well with similar guns in its class.

  20. buck000

    buck000 Member

    (Warning: I'm new to the shooting sports, so my opinion is probably worth considerably less than 0.02 Zimbabwean...)

    I have an STI Ranger II in 9mm, and a Kimber Tactical Entry II in .45 ACP.

    The Ranger is indeed a sweet-shooting gun, and the action is quite nice.

    Unfortunately, it's been back to the factory (fortunately, half an hour away from me) four times: twice for extractor tweaking, once for extractor replacement (broken hook) and ejector replacement (seemed loose), and back again for ejector tweaking.

    After the 2nd fix, I put over 2000 rounds through it with no problem. I need to put another thousand through it, trouble-free, before it restores my confidence in it. However, it pretty much sends bullets exactly where I'm aiming when I pull the trigger. ;)

    The Kimber definitely had a bit of breaking in to do, where for the first 300 rounds or so, I had about 5-6 premature slide locks. However, after that, the next 1000 rounds have been trouble-free, and the trigger seems just as nice as the STI's (a tad lighter, even).

    I really like both guns. The Kimber is very nice to look at, the STI is gorgeous to my eyes, and they both send their bullets to target quite nicely...


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