Anybody packing up and leaving San Francisco?

[4v50 Gary]

A relative was telling me that 10 public schools are closing in SF and that there are at least 10 private high schools that are operating (and they charge about $20-30k a year for tuition without board - gang, college is cheaper). Why the closure? Those with $$$ don't trust their kid's education to public schools so they send them to private schools. Middle class families are leaving because they can't afford SF either (figure average house is $750k and a lot of folks have been getting zero principal mortgages) and the quality of public education is down the toilet (CA ranks 46 out of the 50 states). Thus, the closure of schools in SF.

You've got homeless there and the leftists love them because it gives them a cause to rally behind (Guess how many leftists adopt a homeless? If you said, "Zero," you're right on the mark). Druggies? It's druggie heaven and the cops can't pop you for marijuana because the Public Health Department issues you cards saying it's legal to possess it. The District Attorney is easy on criminals and won't push for the death penalty for the murderer of SFPD Officer Issac Espinoza. Said killer used an assault weapon. Read that as selective-fire (full auto gang) military firearm and not some civilian lookalike that was banned in '89 by California. San Francisco is not family friendly and the uber-leftists make it even less so.

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

I understand folks like to stay where they put down roots. I do not have a problem with that.

Not all parts of CA are hard to live in but the laws effect you every where and some places are very bad to live.

Maybe I am different as I had a dream of getting out for years but its easier to stay than to move as most of us know. From my family is here, to My job is here, to my friends and my kids friends are here. I do truely understand.

I looked like it as have a dream of living where I wanted and being a outdoor person I always wanted to live in a mountain state. I had a chance when I was 44 to move to CO with my job if I wanted to . It did not take me but a few seconds to make that decission. A month later I was living here and having a house built. First thing I did was get my Ca vehical plates changed.
A few months later I Walked into a gun shop and walked out with a handgun. Wow! That was different and now my elk tags were $35 a year instead of $350.

Now I lived in Foresthill and worked in North Highlands out side Sacramento and had that 1 hour commute as I did not like living in the city anymore. I lived 1/2 mile from the national forest and we truely had four seasons and the folks for the most part were friendly.
But we had the same problem most every body else had the cities with the filth made the laws for most everyone else and what you saw frisco do will sooner or later be state wide as far as laws go.

I have another dream now and I will do my first retirement in a little over 3 1/2 years from now. And it will take me someplace else I believe. I am thinking of somewhere in the middle of Montana. But have not ruled out northern new mexico or Wyoming. Going to take a trip up that way in like 07 to look around and maybe buy myself a home if I like it.

If you are happy where you are then stay but if you always wanted something else, its out there and all you have to do is take it. We only have one go around and I do not want to set back when I am very old and wished I had done it.

 

[Bainx]

SF= Stalin

Get over it folks

 

[Mot45acp]

EX Kalifornian

I was born and raised in SF and Monterey bay areas. I knew something wasnt right but not what. When I hit 17 I was out on the first thing smokin. I have not been back since, nor will I return. The family that is still there isnt polite or rich enough for me to ever go back. May the few good people get out before the big one comes and California breaks off and falls into the sea.

 

[MCgunner]

I have friends who moved back to Texas well before prop H was an idea. In Texas, they are considered tree hugging hippies. In San Francisco, they were considered right wing wack jobs. I don't think I will ever set foot in that city.

Cartman: Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

 

[losangeles]

Hey, one doesn't live or leave a place just for one reason, whether it's tough gun laws or whatever. (OK, you can do it for a bunch of reasons! )

I've found Cali to have a lot of creative people in some industries I've been involved with (hi tech, Internet). A few buddies who are into guns, too, are staying in Cali for a number of reasons, but one is that this is still a hot spot for hi tech entrepreneurs looking for venture capital. It wouldn't work going to Idaho b/c of better gun laws when trying to make something happen in hi tech. I've known many people become millionnaires here back in the Internet boom days and it's still happening to some extent.

 

[Bacon]

Yes, I'm leaving. Been planning it since long before the idiots in the SF Board of Supervisors thought up this last handgun ban.
I've been here 53 years & my Wife is born in San Francisco. It's a real shame to watch such a beautiful city overrun by vermin transplants. It finally became time to stop living in denile. San Francisco isn't for Americans anymore and the situation is getting out of hand. Prop H is just one of many reasons I'm getting out.

All the transplant easterners can have each other. I'm moving to the Carolinas!

 

[Bacon]

<> Art's Grammaw deployed the rolling pin heah.

 

[Longbow]

Maybe some of you haven't seen this:
<> and again...

 

[Toddman0025]

I'm going to college in San Francisco, it's not all that bad. I am looking to move elsewhere once I'm finished with school...

However I will NOT be surrendering my handgun

 

[ScottsGT]

I too visited for a few days back in Sept. Great place to visit, but glad to be home! Could not believe the "Low income housing project" the tour bus driver showed us. It is as nice as some of the upscale apartments we have around here!

Hell no. I've lived here almost 40 years, work here, own a house here, and I'm not leaving until I retire and feel like leaving. I will not be run out by a bunch of airheaded moonbats.
Jeff

Go for it! San Fran needs more like you to turn the tide! BTW, Just how do you afford to own a house in San Fran? From the impression I got from the tours was that only long time familys or the extremely rich could afford to live in San Fran. If it is the latter, want to adopt a son?

 

[slopemeno]

You guys going to the same SF?

Homeless? Yeah, if you start engaging them in conversation you've already lost. And hey, they arent locals folks. Lotta accents that arent from the Mission, the Sunset,etc.

Got a relative with Diabetes? The cure is probably coming from there.

I see a heck of a lot of out of state plates at UCSF's vision center. You'd think Arizona and Nevada would be able to treat their eye care issues but I guess not.

Races? Folks there a -holes in every color of skin.

Traffic? Try leaving NYC, or LA, or Seattle for that matter on Friday. Sounds like you were heading east on 580 towards Tracy to me. My suggestion is go have dinner somewhere because it'll take the same ammount of time.

Frankly-the quality of life is pretty high there. You dont see a lot of kids. Mostly urban professionals. Owning a house isnt all that out of sight either. my wife and I arent rich but we made more than both our salaries combined on our first real estate deal in a year and a half.

Anyway, when/if you come out, stay away from the tours, fishermans wharf,etc. Go out into the neighborhoods. Walk. Hike in the Golden Gate NRA area overlooking the bridge. Check out Mill Valley, Marina Green, etc.

 

[Rickstir]

I have been there several times. I have vowed never to return. I did this as a result of my last visit, about six months ago. We were completely harassed by the homeless people. I don't know how the city looks upon this situation and doesn't do anything about it. You cannot walk two blocks without confronting one in the downtown area. You must watch where you step, not for dog droppings but for human feces. Now after Prop H, they can have that city and drowned in the slimey culture they have created.

I have to go to Pismo Beach in July, and that is almost too close to that Hell Hole. But that trip is for a birthday party, MINE!

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

It finally became time to stop living in denile.

Denile is not just a river in Africa.

Also, Prop H would be effectively a complete and total gun ban... it it weren't so easy to get around by being law in just one city. While only pistols are completely prohobited, trade in long guns is banned, as well as trade in all ammunition. It only got 57% of the vote, too, so it wasn't all that overwhelming. Still, I can't think of any other time when Americans had directly voted to remove their own freedom like this.

This law will certainly be overturned, since it is in obvious violation of state law--that only the legislature can enact gun laws. The Feinstein ban back in the early 80's was overturned. If Prop H isn't, however, then it's time to leave, not just for San Franciscans, but probably all freedom-loving Americans.

 

[cookekdjr]

San Francisco is one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen, and I love their attitude that life is too short to drink bad wine and eat bad food.
That being said, I'll never live there unless a pile of cash falls in my lap. No wait, that wouldn't be enough. Better make that until a pile of cash fills up my house and we have to swim through it to find the kids before we start counting. If its hundreds, we can move to SF.
20's or 50's, we'll just have to visit...

 

[cookekdjr]

Denile is not just a river in Africa.

.... It only got 57% of the vote, too, so it wasn't all that overwhelming...

Just had to put those two sentences together.

 

[Byron Quick]

I've never been there and will never go. California is on a list of several states I've made: don't subject yourself to what passes for law there.


Y'all that like it are welcome to it.

 

[tyme]

Been there, done that, didn't get the t-shirt.

 

[gunsmith]

I moved out in June

I allways packed despite CA law (concealed is concealed)
It was more then the preparation H, it was the stink, the aggressive "homeless" (they're not homeless it's an act), all the other lame gun laws, the festering morons, City hall (no English speakers need apply),
city workers, (no English speakers need apply) 1/2 of the cops (no English speakers need apply). traffic. gangbangers, the wannabe gangbangers, the gay nazis, the left nazis, the femnazis....oh & you need a six figure income for the privilege of really high taxes.

One Green party friend of mine has contributed to the NRA for the first time in 30 years.

 

[Black Majik]

What is proposition H?

I have no idea, but it kinda sounds like politician for, "Bend over, I have something for you."

Tex

That's Preparation H

 

[gunsmith]

at a security company I worked at (in SF)

A guy who was homeless in Atlanta got on a greyhound and moved into a shelter for homeless people in SF they got him a job where I worked, paid for his clothes, & are paying his rent for the next 5 years...oh and he keeps his paycheck. the taxes from my paycheck wen't to support him! :banghead: ...
another reason I'm glad to be gone!

 

[Master Blaster]

what is proposition H?

Well its like a preperation H, except for gun owners, and and its designed to cause painful itching and burning rather than relieve it.

 

[dakotasin]

This is a question I would like to ask all of you.

If this happened to you in an area you grew up in and had roots in what would you do?

Would you leave? Would resist? Would you fight(politically of course)?

i left - but i was from los angeles. if i was from san francisco, i would've left sooner.

 

[dakotasin]

Hey, one doesn't live or leave a place just for one reason, whether it's tough gun laws or whatever. (OK, you can do it for a bunch of reasons! )

i left because of politics - specifically, the gun laws. so, yeah, i left for one reason, unless you want to call the gun laws 'reasons'...

 

[slopemeno]

Yeah, it has all the problems big cities have. If you cant handle crowds, probably not a good choice for you. If youre intolerant of lifestyles or cultures that arent the same as yours, probably not a good fit.

Oh, heres my big homeless encounter for you. Back when I lived in the Tenderloin (call it the TL) some homeless drunks were drinking beer on the entrance to my then girlfriends apartment building. I said "Hey guys, mind picking up when youre done?" "Oh, uh, yes sir, sure, no problem" Thats it. Oh and one time an obviously psychotic guy screamed at me in McDonalds. Not exactly earth shattering stuff. Dont make eye contact, just move on. Nothing to see here...Seems like a lot of people are too tightly wound for city living.
And yeah, a six figure income helps, but I was able to buy a home on a *just* six figure combined income, and flip it a year and a half later, and traded up nicely. Keep in mind that ANY couple will have a six figure income unless they made a career mistake somewhere. I work in a warehouse...

Diversity: I work with one guy who was on Daniel Ortegas security detail during the Sandanista revolution( and fled Nicaragua and got asylum here in the states, great story), another who was drafted to go to Vietnam from Guam and got 26 years in the Army, another who lived through the war in El Salvador (and got shot in the process). I'm the only white guy in my work unit. Other than the color of their skin, they are just like you and me. They want what you want, not what you got.

And shooting-when I got to this job as soon as anyone found out I was into shooting inevitably led to :"Oh, I have a Bushmaster" "I have a KingCobra"
Theres alot more plain ol' average you-and-me people here than you think, but you wont find them at Fishermans Wharf or in front of the Holiday Inn. Did anyone bother to drive over to Traders in San Leandro while you were here, or go to Jackson Arms in South City? Theres also Reeds in the South Bay, and Target Masters in Milpitas. You could spend a day driving around the bay going from gun store to gun store.