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AOW shotgun

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by rockn30809, Mar 13, 2012.

  1. rockn30809

    rockn30809 Well-Known Member

    I keep seeing more and more short barreled shotguns classified as AOW. How are folks doing it? I have few old shotguns I would love to shorten the barrel on for $5.00 a pop.
  2. Orkan

    Orkan Well-Known Member

    There is an important distinction between short barreled shotguns and AOW's. Specific shotguns are considered AOW. Building a SBS requires a $200 stamp. Transferring a AOW only requires a $5 stamp. Big difference.
  3. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Well-Known Member

    Impossible. They most likely started their existence as a defined 'shotgun'. Therefore, they'll never become an AOW.

    Had you purchased a 'virgin receiver' from Mossberg, Remington, etc, you could finish that receiver into an AOW firearm, but it would still cost you $200 in tax stamp because you are manufacturing.

    The $5 tax only applies to the transfer of an AOW. If you were to purchase a suppressor, it's a $200 tax stamp; if you purchase a Serbu Shorty, it's a $5 stamp.
  4. Chopdoktor

    Chopdoktor Well-Known Member

    $5 transfer is nice for AOW, but don't forget the 6+ month wait... They have paperwork just like all the other items that are wrongfully over-regulated by NFA bull-excrement. My shop is going to start manufacturing them in April, and I think a lot of people will be facing a massive wait because of the election year and all. It's a shame.
  5. rockn30809

    rockn30809 Well-Known Member

    What im asking is how a mossberg 590 with a shorter than 16" barrel would be classified as a AOW?
  6. MasterSergeantA

    MasterSergeantA Well-Known Member

    If it comes from the factory without a stock...a pistol grip only, as the Mossberg Cruiser's did, they can be made into AOWs. You don't actually have to have just the receiver. Remington was not selling them that way for a long time, but I think they figured out they were missing market share. With the advent of their MCS system, I think the policy changed as Mark Serbu is now offering his Super Shorty in both brands. As was pointed out, manufacturing an AOW from a PGO shotgun will still run $200; it is only the transfer fee that is $%. I bought a nice 12" 870 and discovered that slinging it on a mount under the barrel of an AR is NOT considered affixing a stock to it. It is still an AOW.
  7. SlowFuse

    SlowFuse Well-Known Member

    I've heard of something about shotguns produced from the factory with only a pistol grip being able to qualify as an aow if cut below the 18" mark. This may be a grey area or just plain myth. Maybe someone else can chime in on that.
  8. SlowFuse

    SlowFuse Well-Known Member

    Ha master sergeant hit it!
  9. crawfobj

    crawfobj Well-Known Member

    I want to see Master Sergeant's 12ga under his AR!!! :what:
  10. Hunter125

    Hunter125 Well-Known Member

    So then if you put a stock on a Serbu Shorty you would be crossing into SBS territory?
  11. rockn30809

    rockn30809 Well-Known Member

    Thats what I was looking for master sergeant, thanks.
  12. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Absolutely. You're turning it into something "Designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder." Gotta send them another $200 and wait for another stamp to do that.
  13. MasterSergeantA

    MasterSergeantA Well-Known Member

    Sam nailed it. Additionally, once you have "manufactured" the SBS by adding a stock, it will never again be an AOW and will transfer at the higher tax rate ($200 vs. $5). AOWs seem to be popular because (1) the transfer tax is lower making it more attractive to the buyer and (2) some states that do not allow SBS will allow AOWs. But in some states the opposite is true.

    I paid $500 for my 870 AOW and a tax stamp at $5. I bought a used 870 from my friend's LGS for $200; for another $200 I can make it a SBS and use the same pistol grip as the AOW...plus I can always put the stock back on it. But transferring the AOW would probably be quicker if I wanted to part with it because I could get my money out of it more easily with a buyer who 'only' had to pay $5 to the Fed (and wait 6 months or more.) And you don't have to ask ATF permission to carry your AOW into another state (where permitted by state law) as you do with SBRs, SBSs, and automatic weapons.

    I am lucky enough to live in Arizona where the Second Amendment is my concealed carry permit.
  14. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    where is your shop?
  15. Flyincedar

    Flyincedar Well-Known Member

    Manufacture will actually begin in July timeframe. The shop is in Columbus, OH
  16. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    ^ you got a website?
  17. Flyincedar

    Flyincedar Well-Known Member

    Yes, www.gunenvy.com

    There is no manufacturing info on there yet. We also build high end 1/2 MOA guaranteed ARs, that are not on the site either. We are working on a dedicated website for those.

    If you have questions, feel free to send me a PM.
  18. jmorris

    jmorris Well-Known Member

    Anything you put on a form 1 is going to cost $200.
    A shame that they have to wait or a shame you might not build them fast enough and they might buy from other manufacturers? Transfer wait time has been around forever.
  19. ISO1600

    ISO1600 Well-Known Member

    like others have said:

    building AOW = $200
    transfer AOW = $5

    build SBS = $200
    transfer SBS = $200

    AOW can only be built from a virgin receiver or one that left factory as PGO (mossberg cruiser, etc). If you add a shoulder stock without first doing paperwork+stamp for SBS, you are breaking the law.
    SBS is more appealing to me, because i could do the paperwork for my 870, pay the tax ($200), and just throw a short barrel (or cut mine) on when it gets approved. As an SBS, i'd have the option to mount whatever stock or barrel i want on there, at least temporarily.
  20. MasterSergeantA

    MasterSergeantA Well-Known Member

    The deciding factor for some may be that SBS are illegal in some states where AOWs are not.

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