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AP story this morning...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SaxonPig, May 29, 2011.

  1. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    The US military is looking for a new rifle. Colt has been supplying the M4 version of the M16 for over a decade but now the bidding will be open to other manufacturers. I think one reason Colt has pretty much withdrawn from the civilian gun market is that with the military arms contract it didn't need to bother with us pesky retail buyers. They were making a fine profit from the government sales.

    Soooo... if Colt loses the deal on Army rifles and the revenue from Uncle Sugar, think this will prompt the company into rethinking its position on not producing guns for the the civilian market? Could the loss of the federal contract sweetness lead to the restarting of the machinery over on the handgun production line that has grown cold over the years? Might Colt find itself in need of some Python and Diamondback sales to keep stockholders happy?
  2. EddieNFL

    EddieNFL member

    I perfectly happy with my AR and 1911 "clones." Karma.
  3. statelineblues

    statelineblues Well-Known Member

    From Colt's own website:
    Colt has never really been known for R&D and innovation - they tend to build one model then tweak it and sell the "variations" (i.e. - 1911 Government Model, then the Commander, the Officer's Model, Gold Cup, etc). Most of their most famous firearms were designs purchased from the original creators.

    The only rifle they have currently is the AR-15 platform - it's been decades since they put out a bolt action (the last was a colaberation with Sauer in the 1980s, IIRC).

    If they lose the .gov contract, I doubt they have the wearwithall to survive. The brand name will continue, but the actual firearms manufacturing were probably disappear.
    Last edited: May 29, 2011
  4. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    I hope they have contigency plans in place. Bit I am not hopeful. It is a tough business.
  5. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Hasn't Remington established itself in the sporting market for AR rifles while Colt focussed on military contracts? (Don't have my fingers on any pulses, just my impression.)

    In WWI Marlin focussed on military contracts as Marlin-Rockwell, and ended up on the auction block in the 1920s once the military contracts were over.

    For a major gunmaker to concentrate on military contracts, and ignore or slight the civilian sport, self-defense and police markets is a mistake that has been repeated over and over.
  6. Onmilo

    Onmilo Well-Known Member

    Put all your eggs in one basket,,,
  7. Rollis R. Karvellis

    Rollis R. Karvellis Well-Known Member

    A blue and wood Python, would be nice for the collection.
  8. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    Since the craftsmen are gone, the machinery is either gone or outdated and the massive expense of investing in modern equipment to produce a low volume product to sell at a cost that is prohibitive to most potential customers, I think not. Wishful thinking maybe, but even if they did reintroduce them, they would never be the guns they were. I think this scenario is more likely.........

    Since Colt just redid their equipment for producing their 1911s and they are selling well, I see that continuing till the demand falls or the equipment fails. This may be with the company as we know it now or after the name is bought by a investment conglomerate. Anything not profitable for the stockholders will be dropped.......this includes the great customer service Colt is known for.
  9. avs11054

    avs11054 Well-Known Member

    What is wrong with the rifles they've issued to the military that cause the military to want to switch guns? That was my biggest question from reading the article.
  10. SaxonPig

    SaxonPig Well-Known Member

    What was wrong with the Garand in 1954? Or the M14 in 1962? Progress demands innovation and superior models come along making the old ones obsolete. I am hearing renewed complaints regarding the the M16 (M4... same thing) and the 5.56mm cartridge. I suspect the next Army rifle will be in a larger caliber. Maybe a 6x45?
  11. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    Are they looking for a new rifle or just a new supplier?
  12. crm7290

    crm7290 Well-Known Member

    They want what's cheapest so they reup the contract every now and then is my guess
  13. Cryogaijin

    Cryogaijin Well-Known Member

    New rifle one can hope.
  14. PokeyOkie

    PokeyOkie Active Member

    It's more than just what's cheap. Government contracts are limited in scope & duration. Federal law requires them to recompete regularly to get the best value. They can select a more expensive gun if it's more durable or reliable. If you want to see where our tax dollars go, check out fedbizopps.gov. a search there will tell if it's the same gun or something new.
  15. Kliegl

    Kliegl member

    I own a Colt LE model AR-15 and am quite happy with it. I also added that slide-fire stock, and that's even more fun.
  16. 68wj

    68wj Well-Known Member

  17. pikid89

    pikid89 Well-Known Member

    i dont think colt makes all their guns anyway...my cousin just got back from afghanistan with the marines and he said his m16 was made by FN
  18. Doxiedad

    Doxiedad Well-Known Member

    I'm all for our fighting men and women having the best possible weapons with which to defend themselves. If Colt can no longer provide that then the armed services need to find a rifle/supplier that can.
  19. Unistat

    Unistat Well-Known Member


    What Colt has is the Technical Data Package, which is the "Spec" in "Mil-Spec." Colt owns it and it is copywritten (or trademarked or patented or whatever) information. Only Colt can make a truly "Mil-Spec" rifle because only Colt really knows what that means.

    Except a couple of years ago, the DoD told Colt, "Show the data to FN so they can make us some rifles."
  20. Kaeto

    Kaeto Well-Known Member

    Actually the specs are given to the manufacturer by the govt. And the manufacturer has to make the product to that spec or it don't get bought.

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