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Appendix Carrying a Striker fired pistol !!

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Glockedout17, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. Glockedout17

    Glockedout17 Well-Known Member

    I've been carrying a Glock 19 in a straight drop kydex holster at the 1:00 position, and I seem to like it pretty well. I have been carrying this way for about two weeks now and it really helps me to conceal my gun better than any other position. A few threads i've read say that carrying a striker fired pistol in this position is basically frowned upon. People tend to like pistols with manual safeties for AIWB better than striker fired pistols, but I'm a Glock fan and would like to stick with what I like. Another thing is the fact that people always talk about negligent discharges and the dangers of appendix carry, so I wonder why do people still carry that way. Does anyone else carry a striker fired pistol AIWB? How do you like it? And how did you get over the negatives/dangers of appendix carry?
  2. trickyasafox

    trickyasafox Well-Known Member

    I am a big appendix carry fan- I don't carry glocks often, but that is because I just dislike them - not because I think there is an inherent risk to carrying them in that position. In my opinion, I'm not really sure what dangers exist so long as safe gun handling is observed and an adequate holster in good condition is used.
  3. Havok7416

    Havok7416 Well-Known Member

    I don't carry anything without a safety in the appendix position, not because I'm uncomfortable doing so but because that's how my holsters sit. Extensive training will of course mitigate the chances of an ND but the main thing to remember is to keep your finger off the trigger until the muzzle points forward. I spend a lot of time drawing unloaded guns at home since the local ranges rarely allow drawing. My main problem with appendix carry is the annoyance of getting in and out of vehicles which I have to do all too frequently it seems.
  4. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    It isn't so much that it is more dangerous, it is that the consequences of a gun carried and having a ND in that position at more grave...location of blood vessels and major structured.

    I have carried a striker fired pistol AIWB, but it was a Kahr with a long stroke trigger. A long time ago, I carried a Colt Commander in a Milt Sparks Summer Special like that...it was the original design carry location...and felt fine with the safety engaged, but the combination wasn't very comfortable for sitting or bending over.

    I've seen enough Glock users letting off early shots when drawing out of OWB holsters that it isn't a carry option I would recommend. There seems to be something about a Glock's trigger that seems to tempt folks to want to get their finger on them early when drawing at speed
  5. Bovice

    Bovice Well-Known Member

    AIWB or even AOWB is a pretty fast setup. I've had my fastest draws from the 2:00 position. When I hear people talk about appendix carry, I think of this.


    Is it more dangerous? In some ways, yes. As always, trigger discipline will keep you safe.
  6. Jenrick

    Jenrick Well-Known Member

    If you have a good holster there should be ZERO chance of the trigger activating inadvertently. The only other advice I can offer, is to holster the weapon prior to putting the holster on. That eliminates one possible failure point.

  7. hentown

    hentown Well-Known Member

    I'm a spleen-carrier myself, G26 in Sidearmor IWB. Can easily reach my G26 when belted in my vehicle.
  8. JTQ

    JTQ Well-Known Member

    Isn't Gabe Suarez one of the biggest proponents of AIWB carry? Isn't he also a Glock guy?
  9. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    Perhaps this week. As soon as there is money in something else I'm sure that is what he will be on about.

    For a while he was pitching this:


    In his article promoting it he referenced how in the "old west" gun fighters like Hardin and Hickok did it. Hmmmm, is it really that hard to see the differences between the types of weapons they carried and a Glock 17. According to his auto biography John Wesley Hardin at times carried a cap and ball revolver. They are slightly less reliable than glocks. They hold 1/3 the rounds. Oh and my speed reload on a cap and ball is a bit slower than with Gaston's pistols. Even, considering the later cartridge guns the same critiques are valid, its just a matter of degree. Further, the life styles and likelihood of a gun fight was different for Hickok and Hardin than most of us.

    I should probably cut Gabe some slack, my guess is its just as likely he simply thought this was a good way to sell some left handed holsters to some folks on his forum and email list, folks that P.T. Barnum famously referred to.

    I'm not too concerned about the "wisdom" of Mr. Suarez. His doing or not doing something would not be evidence to me of whether it is sound practice or not.
  10. JTQ

    JTQ Well-Known Member

    Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing Gabe Suarez, I only know him from the internet (and not well at all), I don't own a Glock, and I don't own an appendix carry holster either. My point is, the appendix carry crowd generally has an awful lot of overlap with the Glock crowd. As a matter of fact, most of the AIWB carriers I've seen seem to be carrying Glocks.

    If you think it's safe to carry a Glock, and you think it's safe to carry AIWB, why wouldn't you think it was safe to carry a Glock AIWB?
  11. Jenrick

    Jenrick Well-Known Member

    I've carried a Glock on my hip in a duty rig, a plains clothes rig, in a suit, in shorts, and in a bunch of other ways and clothing styles. I've never had it go off on it's own, don't see any reason to worry about it if move it up to 12:30 rather then it's normal 3 o'clock position. Now I will admit a G34 does NOT AIWB all that well due to the fact it's got a fricking long barrel, but something a little shorter does wonders.

  12. hardluk1

    hardluk1 member

    I have carried a stricker fired pistol in a 2:15 position for a few years with zero worry . Fingers not on trigger before your ready to shoot theres no problem.
  13. horsemen61

    horsemen61 Well-Known Member

    As of right now I don't have a holster for the glock :( but I am getting one soon enough.
  14. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    All I can add to this is the picture in post #9 looks extremely uncomfortable too me.
    And I am not reffering to the safety aspect.
  15. ATLDave

    ATLDave Well-Known Member

    Pistols without manual safeties have additional risks of ND, simply because something, like a shirt tail, can get in the trigger guard while holstering, and because there is no safety-net for a mistake with trigger discipline. As 9mm epiphany noted, the stakes of an ND are even higher with appendix carry.

    But this is coming from a guy who won't even own a pistol without a safety unless it's a revolver. You've obviously decided you don't want the safety net. The only question is are you willing to raise the stakes on your bet.
  16. rjrivero

    rjrivero Well-Known Member

    Actually, that's probably pretty comfortable as far as appendix carry goes. The pistols ride high above the belt line, and therefore the barrel(s) won't extend very far past the belt line. Makes sitting and position changes much easier than "burying" the gun in the appendix carry position.
  17. Godsgunman

    Godsgunman Well-Known Member

    Theres alot of generalization going on in these first responses. I am a big fan of appendix carry and definitely NOT a Block fan. I like a hammer thank you very much, I like to be able to see that the trigger is doing its job, not just hope. Anyways I AIWB because its the most comfortable for me, fastest drawing, and no one ever knows its there even if they are looking. Even passes a feel test most the time unless you're my wife since she's the only one allowed near that area ;). I have always questioned carrying a striker fired weapon there though. I just don't trust the "internal safety" or "striker pin" safeties simply because I can't see them like I can a hammer. So for me the stiker fired must have another external safety but with hammer guns it doesn't matter to me. The ultimate safety is my finger.
  18. Glockedout17

    Glockedout17 Well-Known Member

    All responses were great and well taken.

    Very great advice Jenrick

    The few that have been carrying AIWB for awhile now and haven't had any ND's, this means that consistent trigger awareness has been used, and I commend you guys for that. If your aware of where your trigger finger is and take time to make sure that there is no obstructions in your holster while reholstering then you should be fine. Hammer or no hammer, using trigger awareness, careful drawing, and careful reholstering techniques 100% of the time should eliminate 99% of the issues people have with appendix carry. That other 1% is for comfort, and that varies from person to person. Now I'm going to go watch that Miami Vice clip a few more times... Thanks guys- GO17
  19. Jenrick

    Jenrick Well-Known Member

    For everyone talking about having the round crank off into your leg, groin, etc. while drawing, when the heck are you guys putting your finger on the trigger? Mine doesn't get close to the trigger until I'm at a retention position (2 or 3 depending on how many positions your draw stroke has). If you have a good holster that prevents anything from getting into the trigger guard, on your draw stroke I can't conceive of anything exhibiting a force on the trigger causing it activate. Anything that might get hooked in the trigger would pull it towards the muzzle in the opposite direction of activation.

  20. 9mmepiphany

    9mmepiphany Moderator

    Of the 5 Glocks I've seen ND; 2 had it happen while holstering, 1 had it happen on the draw, 2 had it happened while field stripping.

    I don't even think the one drawing has a clear memory of when they accessed the trigger.

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