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AR in .308 or M-1A?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by SniperStraz, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. SniperStraz

    SniperStraz Well-Known Member

    I'm looking into buying myself a combat type rifle with good range. I'm a little bit partial to the AR platform because I was trained using mostly ARs and M-24s. With an AR I can strip it down and or fix a jam with one hand in the dark. On the other hand the M-1A/M-14 platform is legendary for its accuracy. I want to be able to accurately hit a "head sized" target at 600 yards min. and be able to use it for CQB type applications. So does the AR in .308 even compare or am I just kidding myself? And how easy is to to become truely proficient with the M-1A as far as learning to take care of it and such? Thanx in advance for your help.
  2. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    In general AR10s are more accurate than M1As.

    The only major advantage of the M1A is if you have to butt stroke someone, otherwise the AR10 will likely cost less, be more accurate, lighter weight, have more accessories available and me more versatile and customizable.

    You know the AR platform, just get an AR10, you'll be happier in the long run.

    DPMS makes a nice line of them (they also make the one Remington sells).

    If you want a .308 AR platform rifle priced in the M1A range, the POF offerings in .308 are pretty sweet.
  3. H2O MAN

    H2O MAN member

    The M14 is a better rifle, but since you are more familiar with the AR... stick with what you know.
  4. Z71

    Z71 Well-Known Member

    Don't know anything about AR-10 rifles, however I have 3 M14 pattern rifles(2 Polytech M14's and an M1A). I also have an L1A1(FAL).

    The M14 rifles do shoot quite well, as does the L1A1. I don't know about legendary accuracy. The M14 is subject to stock fit and other issues that may effect a wooden stocked rifles accuracy.

    While I have no experience with AR-10 rifles, I can say that the M14 type rifles do seem to be the most accurate of the 7.62 NATO rifles I've fired. Better(in my opinion) than HK G3's and FAL style rifles.

    May not be a fair comparison because I really like the M14!
  5. karnaaj

    karnaaj Well-Known Member

    I have to strongly disagree with this. It has certainly not been my personal experience (and I have shot both). In addition, if the AR10 platform was so great why is it the army is trying to dig up as many M1A/M14's as they can for mid-range sniper duty over in A'stan and Iraq? And don't forget that the AR10 suffers from the same malady as the AR15 in that it craps where it eats.

    To the OP, buy an M1A. You'll never regret it. The history of it alone is worth it.
  6. longdayjake

    longdayjake Well-Known Member

    I vote for m1a. The only thing that I think the ar10 offers that is better than the m1a is the magazine is easier to insert which makes reloading faster if you are in a hurry. Everything else is better on an m1a.
  7. jpwilly

    jpwilly Well-Known Member

    As far as I have seen the DPMS LR-308, AR-10 and other variants can match up with the best M1A's. Both are more accurate than is needed for a MBR and will serve quite well as a DMR...some can even handle the snipering role. Most high power matches are won with AR platforms these days.

    I personally prefer the feel look and feel of the M1A and plan to pick one up someday. As far as the "everything else" being better on a M1A that's pretty subjective and if you already like the AR platform than I don't think it matters much.

    Not to contradict myself but I recently picked up a DPMS LR-308 AP4 with quad rail and 6 position stock because I think the platform is more versatile and will be more accurate for less money. I already have a beautiful M1 Garand in 308 Win...very close to the M14 in many ways - great sights, good trigger, big, heavy, long, and a pussy cat to shoot. Wanna see it:


    This isn't mine but I want to outfit my DPMS AP4 like this:

    Last edited: Nov 17, 2008
  8. Pipe Burn

    Pipe Burn Active Member


    -Passes as a hunting rifle to the untrained eye
    -Has that "Look"
    -shoots well 2.5 MOA or less
    -expensive as all heck $1300-$4500 new (see crazy horse package or super match for the most expensive examples)
    -scope mounts are expensive for a good one (150-300 dollars), and they do not remove or attach quickly.


    -versatile platform for tacti-cool stuff
    -looks like an "evil rifle" to the general public
    -shoots well 2.5 MOA or less
    -expensive as all heck $1100-?
    -scope mounts quickly to the flat top upper reciever

    I bought the standard loaded M1A for $1500. With the $270 smith scope mount, $100 steel rings, $50 fiberglass stock, and the $380 scope from Leupold, I now have a $2300 rifle that shoots 1.5 MOA on a good day with hand loads.

    I love my M1A and shoot it the most, but I could of got more fore the money going the AR10 route. And I too trained on the AR platform during a 20 year career with Uncle Sam, but there is something about an M14 clone that made me go wood and steel.
  9. Bowfishrp

    Bowfishrp Well-Known Member

    Well I can do 1" groups at 100 yards no sweat with my dpms lr-308AP4 which runs about $1100.
    I have nothing bad to say about the M1A just love my LR.
  10. Mannlicher

    Mannlicher Well-Known Member

    I am staying with my M1A rifles.
  11. Jason_G

    Jason_G Well-Known Member

    All in all, you will have to shoot both and determine which you like better.

    On paper, the AR has most of the advantages:

    1. More accuracy per dollar spent.
    2. Parts and upgrades are cheaper and more abundant.
    3. Optics mounts are far cheaper and easier.

    However, my personal and humble opinion is that the AR has no soul. I have tried very hard to like the platform, and I just don't. The M14/M1A is just the opposite to me. I love it. If I could only own one rifle, that would be it.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that you need to get the one that speaks to you. Sounds cheesy, but that's the only way you'll know which one will give you the most satisfaction of ownership, and we're talking about some fairly expensive rifles, so whichever it ends up being, you want to get it right.

    Best of luck in your search,

  12. T J

    T J Well-Known Member

    I have been kicking around the same issue of trying to decide between an AR type and M14/M1A type. Want something to put a good scope on, and think the AR's can handle that issue with no problems. On the M14 type, does anyone have any experience with the M25 style rifles such as maybe the Springfield White Feather, or the LRB rifles? I am guessing they might be better for scoping than a standard mount on an M14/M1A. What I have read so far gets above my knowlege about the lug configurations etc. Any insight?
  13. Jason_G

    Jason_G Well-Known Member

    For a dedicated optics rifle, the LRB M25 receiver would be tough to beat, but they are expensive. LRB makes the best M14 receiver out there though.

    I can't comment on the SAI M25 Whitefeather. I've never even seen one in person. I would opt for an LRB build for that kind of $$ though.

    As far as lugs on the receiver, the hear-say is that they don't really add anything to accuracy, but they do tend to make glass-bedding last longer. For me, I would probably do without extra lugs as it makes stock selection a little tougher.

  14. ds92

    ds92 Well-Known Member

    +1 for the AR-10. I personally dont like them very well but if you have familiarity with the platform i think thats what you should go with.
    However, personally, I would buy an M1A.

    The best thing you could do would be to hold them both, shoot them both (if possible) and decide then.
  15. T J

    T J Well-Known Member

    On LRB's it seems like I saw on their website that they will custom build to customer specs, but I guess I am rather uneducated on what options are available and would be wanted. Also regarding a dedicated optic rifle, I have had in mind to have a scope with quick connect mounts that would not loose zero and have the option of iron sights as well. Would this be a workable idea? If so, what kind of mounts (like ARMS or some other)?.

    HOLY DIVER Well-Known Member

    dad has an m1a i've put a few rounds through it its sweet!love it
    never not once has it jammed very accurate but on the down side it is a little heavy still a work horse though!
  17. Paladin_Hammer

    Paladin_Hammer Well-Known Member

    If you can get the ADAMSARMs gas set for it, get the AR-10.

    If not, the M1A is far more reliable than an AR-10. What's the point in getting a semi-auto .308 if its just going to break on you?
  18. FLRon

    FLRon Well-Known Member

    I guess I wanted a piece of American military history, so I opted for the M1A just a few weeks ago.

    My immediate intention is to stay with the iron sights. It has been a fun learning experience to discover and get up to speed on a new platform. I will say that by the time you start tweaking a Springfield with some USGI, Smith and Sadlak parts, you are not that far off the cost of a LRB.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2008
  19. hak

    hak Well-Known Member

    i pondered the same question. AR10 or M1/14.

    the benefits and limitations of the M1/14 have been covered. i held a few, even. hard to put down.

    the black/'evil' look of the AR wasn't a draw or deterrent, just utilitarian. the gas system at first turned me off, and i understand the issues in 'sandbox' environments, but as range, hunting, target, SHTF MMR (my main rifle) platform it won out for me.

    some of the things that swayed me to the AR10 variant:

    1) commodity based pricing (well before the Nov 5th anyways) vs. a market price + a mystique premium ;)

    meaning, a very wide range of AR platform folk. the M1/14 lines offered seemed to be, beautiful, but less plentiful; sure there are some fixer-uppers, but not for my first semi-auto rifle.

    2) availability of parts/flexibility. and not just grips/sights. i realized that i could start with one of these


    and enjoy the 24" barrel, and bolt-gun accuracy. yet... thanks to the DPMS, when budget allows: get the AP4 upper/assembly with its own 16" barrel with rails, etc. loosing 8" of overall length and 3-4 pounds in the process. the flat top uppers with integrated rail, means my scope goes along with the 24" assembly and the (aimpoint/___?) will stay on the 16" barrel assembly.

    kinda why i'm looking at the Mossberg 930.

    i had zero experience with either. so it was a cold/impartial decision. and the flexibility and value of the AR outweighed the 'poops where it eats' maint needs.
  20. 45B@cav

    45B@cav Well-Known Member

    M!A are you high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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