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Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire - Documentary

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DeadPatriot, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. bergmen

    bergmen Member.

    I would recommend this article:


    being discussed here:


  2. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    "benEzra" posted more data on an unrelated thread. I thought I'd include it here. The FBI also keeps Uniform Crime Reports and makes a lot of data available on their website if you have time to poke around. Here is a breakdown of deaths by state and firearm type for 2010. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

    Since the "assault rifle" topic keeps coming up in popular culture as the best place to start with gun bans, we have his pesky data:

    Total murders............................................12,996.....100.00%
    Firearms (type unknown)..............................2,035......15.66%
    Other weapons (non-firearm, non-edged)...1,772......13.63%
    Edged weapons..............................................1,704......13.11%
    Hands, feet, etc..................................................745.......5.73%

    Simply, ALL rifles combined (including assault weapons, hunting rifles, collectible rifles, competition rifles, and perhaps even blackpowder rifles) resulted in the smallest statistical category of all means used to commit murder. You are over 200% more likely to be murdered with hands and feet or close to 500% more likely to be murdered by hand-held, non-edged weapons like clubs or hammers. "Other" might also include poisoning, immolation, etc. It isn't clear.

    That really puts the "assault weapons" issue into perspective when compared to all other possible means. It's always pitched to reduce gun crime but shows it would make absolutely no statistically significant difference. The data doesn't split rifles into subtypes, but I suspect "assault weapons" make up a small number of that 2.75% of rifles used in murders. These are all direct government figures that aren't taken out of context or cooked in a way to suggest a biased agenda, so no one can claim its been spun by a,pro-gun organization like the NRA or anti-gun organization like the Brady Campaign or Ceasefire.
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2012
  3. michaelbsc

    michaelbsc Well-Known Member

  4. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    It's going to be mighty hard fitting all this into one documentary. Hopefully the crew can get a tightly focused message out and maybe put out future installments.

    Here is an interview of Kris Koenig on GOA radio. He is going to present both sides and do this from a scientific, logical, rational point of view without making anyone look foolish or taking soundbytes out of context:
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2012
  5. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Sen. Thomas Dodd ("father" of the GCA) was father of Sen Chris Dodd (not the other way 'round).

    I remember how exasperating Thomas J. Dodd's arguments were to me.

    When I was growing up in the 1950s and 1960s criminals in my neighborhood got guns illegally by unregulatable channels like fences, smugglers, bootleggers and dope dealers--people who dealt in contraband. AS confirmed by Wright and Rossi in their analysis of the NIJ felon survey in the mid 1980s. Criminals are least likely to affected by gun control; it is those of us who are law abiding who are most affected by gun laws.
  6. denton

    denton Well-Known Member

    My professional work involves a lot of practical statistics. Here is an article that I wrote a while back (2002??) that might help:


    If you need help with statistical analysis, I can spare an hour or two.

    Family Anecdote:

    I'm an avid shooter, but one of my adult daughters has been pretty gun averse. She would just barely tolerate my son-in-law's hunting firearms in the house.

    One day they left for church, and one of the children left the rear patio door open. When they came home, their computer, camera, checkbook, and spare keys were all missing. Next morning while my son-in-law locked their accounts, I changed the locks and installed industrial strength deadbolts.

    A couple of nights later, she heard something in the back yard, and looked out her bedroom window to see that the thieves had returned, and were trying the old keys in the new locks. She went flying down the stairs to their teenage daughter's room, while my son-in-law headed for the younger children's rooms.

    Halfway down the stairs, she realized that if they did get in, she had absolutely no physical defense.

    Next morning, she demanded and got my wife's spare 38 Special, along with a microwave oven size safe to keep little hands away from the firearm. It was really kind of sweet to see her get in touch with her inner momma bear. Today, she would put two rounds in an intruder's center of mass without an instant of hesitation.

    Good luck with your project. I'll look forward to seeing it.
  7. doc2rn

    doc2rn Well-Known Member

    One might want to look at how the gun confiscation durring Hurricane Katrina went. There are some pretty ugly scenes and stories to be told about that incident.
  8. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Well-Known Member

    Right. They say the memory is the first thing to go. I forget the second thing.:uhoh:

  9. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Yes, Kris is a Life Member.
  10. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

  11. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Fantastic, these are the stats we will be working into the doc. No way can anyone argue with facts. You have been of tremendous help, I look forward to working with you all over the next few months as we put this together.
  12. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

  13. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Thanks, Cesium! He's up for another radio interview this Sunday, Talking Guns with Kate - we will keep ya posted!
  14. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Yep. Criminals never have a problem with gun laws.
  15. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Oh, boy, Denton, I'm sure we would love to have all the assistance you want to give! Very much appreciated, all of your input here, from everyone. I have been learning more than I ever expected just from you guys. Thanks again!
  16. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Yes, we have been posting on the Louisiana gun forums, with requests of anyone who had their guns confiscated. So far, no luck. If you know of anyone who went through this, and think they might want to chat on camera about it, please let us know.
  17. holdencm9

    holdencm9 Well-Known Member

    What a coincidence,

    I am subscribed to "sootch00" on youtube and he just posted a link to your trailer on youtube, right as I saw this one THR.

    I will be anxiously awaiting the completion of your documentary. Good luck!

    Also, I wanted to join the crowd in favor of using "human rights" which are PROTECTED by the constitution, not granted by the constitution. I know "civil rights" is more of a commonly-used term, and fine for the title, and I know you are well aware of the difference, but the more you can emphasize that point, the better.

    Again, best of luck!
  18. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    You might want to try reaching out to Steve Halbrook (http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/) on the topic of Katrina since he appears to be a second amendment attorney that has filed against the city of New Orleans and played a role in Chicago and DC legislation. I don't know anything about the fellow but about 3/5ths down on his site, under "Lawsuit against New Orleans gun confiscations from Hurricane Katrina Victims" are some links to legal actions in regards to the Katrina debacle. I don't know about the legal world so those documents might or might not be useful. Someone else might be able to chime in.

    I think it's worth including the infamous footage of New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass's quote on national TV that "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." before carrying out broadband warrantless confiscation with National Guardsmen and law enforcement. You might even be able to reach out to Patricia Konie, who was the posterchild of the confiscation efforts when they tackled her.

    The video I was trying to recall earlier was not the 1968 Gun Control Act. It was the Hughes Amendment (House Amendment 777, Rep William J. Hughes D-NJ) snuck in on April 10 of 1986 to the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA, H.R. 4332). Hughes sneaks in the amendment and successfully prevents it from being read on the floor multiple times. A verbal vote results in a majority Nay vs Yea. Voting on electronic device ended 297 Nays and 124 Yeas with 15 no votes. A majority of Democrats in a Democratically-controlled House voted Nay. It was passed anyhow. The chairman called the voice votes in his favor ultimately. It kind of reminds me of the blatant re-re-revoting of the Yea/Nay at the DNC on the issue of Jeruselum being the capital of Israel and putting God back into some texts somewhere, and the chairman calling the vote in his favor despite the clear opposition.

    Here is the footage of the floor vote with links to the full length footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Mx2UcSEvQ
    AJAX22 summarizes the happenings here on Calguns: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=364163


    Here is a PDF scanned link to the article since the printed material is hard to come by. http://constitution.org/mil/rkba82.pdf
    An html reproduction for ease of reading/searching: http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm

    That is a very important report given to Congress. It is also a very dry document since it's a report but it covers the history of the BATF, the documentation and history proving it as an individual right, a history on armed citizens and standing armies, gun control legislation, "beta" versions of the Second Amendment that didn't make it into the Constitution, the 14th Amendment and the KKK era of disarming African Americans, and even covers anti-gun views by the National Coalition To Ban Handguns, who of course has a tactfully titled paper, "YOU DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWN A HANDGUN". Suffice to say, it makes an incredibly weak case which is destroyed by all the evidence to the contrary.

    Some bits:

    There is also a history of the BATF and it's transition into:

    One interesting aspect worth exploring, in my opinion, is how little the general public knows about these "assault weapons" or "semi-automatic"and "high-cap magazines" and other technical terms. We don't see DUI stories reported with cars bearing "high performance engines" and "variable valve timing" or "oversteer biased". Given firearm terminology and technology are all technobabble alien to laymen, it is impossible to hold credible polls or surveys on the topic because, as you've shown, not even the drafters of anti-gun legislation can define what they're trying to ban. Many of these guns like the AR15 or the 1911 are "semi-automatic" designs that have been around 50-100 years in their original incarnation.

    I'm often reminded of this poor police officer in the 90's that did this short video on the differences between a civilian semi-auto rifle and a full-auto. 8:32 has a great clip of Edward Conroy of the ATF testifying before the US Senate subcommittee on trying to define an "assault weapon" and stating the only difference between "assault rifles" and a "sporting rifle" is looks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yATeti5GmI8
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  19. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    This is a great point, Holden...
  20. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Thank you again, Cesiumsponge - this info is copied into my research files, now. And Halbrook is on our interview list now. You are awesome!

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