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Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire - Documentary

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DeadPatriot, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    Adding to the disparity in perception of a firearm being solely based on emotional reaction of re physical appearance or baseless representation, a member here (user name GEM, Dr. Glenn E. Meyer, PhD) wrote a paper on the topic named " Will It Hurt Me In Court? Weapons Issues and the Fears of the Legally Armed Citizen" under the environment of a courtroom.


    There was also the great copkiller "teflon boolits!" scare which was completely baseless, as well as the "black talon" scare. If someone has links to dispelled those, please add them. I can't find anything at he moment but ill modify te post if I come across them.
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2012
  2. bergmen

    bergmen Member.

    Minor thought I have included in a letter to the editor of our local newspaper (which was published):

    The possession of a firearm is not a causal factor in the commission of a gun related crime, it is incidental and supplemental to it. It is impossible to control a criminal act by attempting to control the possession of inanimate objects, otherwise all objects would be the subject of controls related to criminal misuse (autos, baseball bats, knives, hatchets, hammers, etc.).

    It is the height of hypocrisy to single out firearms, which by nature are completely harmless without human interaction, as an object to be controlled in order to control actions (virtually impossible).

    If one were to be successful in removing a firearm from a murderous individual one is still left with a murderous individual who can easily turn to any of the inanimate objects mentioned above (and many more) and effectively commit the crime.

  3. Ashcons

    Ashcons Well-Known Member

    DP, welcome to THR. This is a great place to learn about various pro-2A theory without the flaming/trolling commonly found on the Internet. I look forward to seeing your documentary. You may want to check survivalistboards.com for people willing to talk about their Katrina experience. They're a pretty decent group of people (like THR, their mods do not tolerate trolling/flaming), but OPSEC and tinfoil hats might keep them from biting on an interview.

    On a side note, this project's only 24% funded on kickstarter. KS is a great tool for project jumpstarts, do don't be afraid of donating there if you are unaware of the site as it is generally a well-known site for raising project capital.
  4. denton

    denton Well-Known Member

    I highly recommend http://armsandthelaw.com/. The owner, Dave Hardy, contributed his legal talents to the Heller and McDonald cases. He's an expert on 2A constitutional law, and well respected.
  5. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    More juicy government statistics from the BATFE. www.atf.gov/statistics

    "The January 2011 data release will cover calendar year 2009 activity."
    Annual Firearms Manufacturers And Export Report

    Manufactured firearms in the report for that year:
    Rifles: 2,293,297
    Shotguns: 862,293
    Pistols: 182,730

    Recall all rifle homicides in the data I posted earlier from the 2010 FBI uniform crime report constitute 2.75% of all homicide methods recorded. Rifles are manufactured at a volume that exceeds handguns by 1250% but they're responsible for the smallest statistical category recorded by the FBI under homicide types. That is a stark contrast in extremes. The most produced firearm subtype (and assault rifles being a sub subtype that anti-gun types are up in arms about) is also the firearm subtype least used in homicides. Straight from the recordkeeping of two federal agencies of the US government. No bias. No emotional fearmongering.

    There is also a lot more data on firearm traces done by law enforcement and tracked back by the ATF available on the site, if its pertinent.
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2012
  6. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    The governments desire to control modern rifles has nothing to do with crime.
  7. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    got it, sir - I thank you!
  8. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    We Totally Agree. I assume the targeting of firearms has to do with the speed of death. Its the easiest way to cause harm, and from a distance too.

    Just a guess on my part.
  9. gfanikf

    gfanikf Well-Known Member

    Don't forget the Tax revenue generated by the NFA and the massive numbers of people with NFA items...granted it's mixed in with government, hence why at first glance CA has the largest amount of destructive devices (flashbangs count apparently).

    That said, the JFPO apparently was wrong about the firearm law or translated a Weimer Republic Era law and passed it off as the Nazi's Halbrook would be the point person on this. But I can tell you I heard this from gun people, not Antis, who want to be accurate.
  10. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Ashcons, thank you so very much for the support and also, the Katrina link...we need that!
  11. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Bookmarked - Thank you again, Denton ~
  12. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Cesium this is great, I thank you for this!
  13. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Yes, gfanikf, accuracy is vital to this production.
    and I think we will be hunting down Halbrook for an interview...
  14. gfanikf

    gfanikf Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I mean I've very pro-2A, but it's hard to deal with the way we can sometimes accept or repeat things with no citations. Then again I'm a lawyer (actually served as counsel for a restoration film project funded by Kickstarter) so I'm a stickler for the details, both because I'm trained to use them to back my case or find holes in the others. If you want someone to act as a critical script reader I would be happy to help out.
  15. Cesiumsponge

    Cesiumsponge Well-Known Member

    The original intent of the NFA tax stamp in 1934 was a de-facto ban because only the wealthiest at the time would pay $200 in 1934 dollars for a $2 suppressor or a $20 rifle. Only in recent times has the dollar devalued to the point where a $200 fee for a $1000 suppressor seem more reasonable. That ATF page has NFA data and its really picked up over the last decade.
  16. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    This could probably fill a whole film but I think highlighting the differences of the 50 states and their view on gun ownership might go a long way in educating this countrys population.
    Having traveled it some I am amazed at the differences in laws and what people consider acceptable.
    The contrast of Illinois, New York, California, with Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming as well as the recent conversions of what were fairly restrictive Midwestern States like Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconson and proof that blood isn't flowing in the streets should greatly influence the way voters in those more restrictive may issue or won't issue states cast their ballots.
    Good work and can't wait to see it when done.
  17. Owen Sparks

    Owen Sparks member

    It is interesting that the federal government can tax the one item you are guaranteed the right to possess by the Constitution, yet the courts struck down the poll tax as an unconstitutional affront to the right to vote even though "the right to vote" is not even mentioned in the Constitution.

    They could never get away with a special federal tax levied on any other activities enumerated in the Bill of Rights such as religion, the press, free speech, etc.
  18. powell&hyde

    powell&hyde Well-Known Member

    Very interesting thread, here is a chart on regional nics history for regional states from the year 2000. Welcome to the high road.

    Attached Files:

  19. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    gfanikf, we might just take you up on that. I know everyone who supports this doc feels the same way, it must be accurate for it to be credible.
    Thank you, sir, and everyone here. Everyone is very intelligent, enthusiastic, and kind.
  20. DeadPatriot

    DeadPatriot Active Member

    Thank you, X-Rap.
    We hear ya!

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