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ATF on the prowl

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by LT1coupe, Aug 7, 2007.

  1. LT1coupe

    LT1coupe Well-Known Member

    I recieved a letter from a private gun dealer I had bought a few guns from in TX. The ATF has apparently been visiting a bunch of private dealers & combing through their paperwork looking for ANY errors. I was told they have shut down a few already.
  2. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    What in heavens name is a "private dealer"? Is that like being just a little bit pregnant?:confused:
  3. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    C&R perhaps..
  4. RNB65

    RNB65 Well-Known Member

    No surprise. The ATF has been trying to put private dealers out of business for years. Increasing the FFL fee, requiring a place of business, combing thru paperwork looking for small errors. All are tactics the ATF have been using to drive private dealers under.
  5. Im283

    Im283 Well-Known Member

    Does ATF do the same thing to liquor stores and quickie marts?

    Why is there and ATF? Shouldn't they just be "F" ?

    Never hear about them doing anything unless it involves guns.
  6. Junkyard Dog

    Junkyard Dog Well-Known Member

    Reds Trading Post seems to come to my mind. I think that they are still
    getting the gestapo tactics from the ATF. Someone correct me in I am wrong.
  7. joab

    joab Well-Known Member

    They're always in the news here with the selling beer and cigarettes to minors stings
  8. Gator

    Gator Well-Known Member

    There is no such thing as a "private dealer", either you have an FFL or you don't. ATF comb through dealers paperwork on a regular basis; all dealers know this and had better have all their t's crossed and i's dotted.
  9. LT1coupe

    LT1coupe Well-Known Member

    That's what we've always reffered to an individual with an FFL that is not affiliated with a particular store or shop.
  10. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    A dealer is a dealer. Doesn't matter if it's a storefront or a basement, they all have to follow the same rules and face the same scrutiny.
  11. RPCVYemen

    RPCVYemen Well-Known Member

    And pharmacists have to keep track of the drugs they sell, and their paperwork is "combed through" regularly, as well as people dealing with various kinds of chemicals.

    It seems to me that if you don't like paperwork (or are incompetent at paperwork), you shouldn't be in the FFL business, or the pharmacy business, or a host of other businesses.

    If you ran a pharmacy, and your inventory came up short a couple of pounds of cocaine, would you expect the DEA to accept, "Oh, it's really just a clerical error by some of my employees, or maybe some it was stolen? Who knows?"

  12. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Yes the have to abide by the same rules, but no, the level of scrutiny is significantly greater on Type 01 FFLs that do not have a storefront.

    Clinton put most of the "kitchen table dealers" (which is what I assume a "private FFL" is) out of business, but not all of them ... the ATF is continuing his policies of harassment of these FFLs.

    True, but the DEA isn't actively trying to shut down legitimate, law abiding pharmacies. The ATF is trying to reduce the number of firearms dealers (and I believe their goal is to reduce the number to zero).

    The ATF has an internal culture of furthering the cause of gun control by any means they can get away with. They're trying to do an end run around the legislature and the Constitution and implement gun control by eliminating the civilian firearms industry.
  13. RNB65

    RNB65 Well-Known Member

    Call it what you will, but there is a difference between dealers with a storefront and those with no store front. The ATF may not formally draw a distinction between the two, but they certainly treat them differently and actions speak louder than words.
  14. Kilgor

    Kilgor Well-Known Member

    What pharmacies stock cocaine?

    Missing cocaine is not comparable to allowing a customer to abbreviate a state name instead instead of writing it out on the yellow forms. Or putting N and Y on the questions instead of yes and no. The ATF is nailing FFL dealers for nitpicky things like that.
  15. ConfuseUs

    ConfuseUs Well-Known Member

    Cocaine may not be readily found in your local pharmacy but it is used for some surgical procedures to stop bleeding since it causes blood vessels to constrict. Pretty much any hospital will have a small amount of cocaine solution for these procedures on hand at any given time unless some new drug can do the same thing.

    However, considering that all pharmacies stock opiate painkillers and muscle relaxants by the pound then it makes sense that DEA would get a little torqued if a pharmacy happened to come up short a couple of pounds of say, pure hydrocodone. That would be worth a fortune on the street.

    The question is, does the DEA lay the smack down on pharmacists who make minor paperwork errors? I've never heard of it but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
  16. jeepmor

    jeepmor Well-Known Member

    Bureaucrats doing what bureaucrats do, being a pain and not really contributing anything notably useful or productive.
  17. pacodelahoya

    pacodelahoya Well-Known Member

    All wonderful arguments for the Batfe......except for that pesky shall not be infringed part.

    All of you so called progun people really need to take a close look at your values.
  18. Owens

    Owens Well-Known Member

    BATFE bad guys? As a whole, I don't think so. Just as with ANY LE group, unfortunately there will be bad apples that show up from time to time.
    Having dealt with this agency, I can't say anything bad about them.
    As to the dealers that were "shut down", I somehow feel that it was more likely due to something more serious than minor paperwork errors.
  19. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    I sure think so.

    It wasn't individual BATF agents who adopted an AGENCY WIDE POLICY of committing PERJURY regarding the NFA record keeping system. That was an ORGANIZATIONAL decision, backed up by an AGENCY PRODUCED video on how to lie under oath.

    The BATF(E) has a record of brutality, corruption, racism, and dishonesty which goes back to the Nixon Administration. They've organized racist parties out of BATF offices, on government time, using government resources, with invitations printed on agency letterhead. BATF agents were taken off of the '90s church burning investigation for a reason. It's called "an appearance of impropriety".

    And they're the BATFE. There's no such thing as the "ATF".
  20. Owens

    Owens Well-Known Member

    What proof or other documentation is there on this?

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