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atf ruling announced at shot shot coming on monday?

Discussion in 'SHOT Show Coverage' started by Jon Coppenbarger, Jan 23, 2011.

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  1. Jon Coppenbarger

    Jon Coppenbarger Well-Known Member

    Did not see this posted yet by the moderators or did I miss it and if I am just repeating something posted earlier please delete.
    On the 19th at the shot show the atf stated that they would be coming out with a new ruling on shotguns and what would be allowed under the use of a sporting shotgun and not a destructive device.

    We all remember the ruling on the last ones which had large detactible mags for shotguns. (usas 12)
    so the 24th which is just a few short hours aways we should learn whats up?

    So could the lastest trend in shotguns like the saiga or new kel-tec be or?

    posted it here as it was announced at shot!
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2011
  2. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    I'm guessing the Saiga will be toast from this. Kel Tec plans to produce their shotgun domestically I believe so it won't touch that.
  3. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Oh the [strike]irony[/strike] AGONY if they were to announce that the new Rampaging Judge is "sporting" but a Saiga 12 isn't.

    I don't own either, but there's just something wrong with the world ...
  4. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member


    There is Never, Ever any positive relationship between logic and the BATF&E when it comes to a firearms ruling. :banghead:
  5. W L Johnson

    W L Johnson Well-Known Member

    Lovely, just Lovely
    A saiga shotgun has been on my Christmas list, but even if the ATF doesn't do a thing just the rumor of them doing something will drive the prices through the roof. If you can find one now that is! :banghead:
  6. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator

    Exactly my thoughts as well.

    And, part of why I hate to even see rumors of actions posted. We have no information yet, but the speculation is affecting even those of us who weren't in the market for any of these at this point.

    Maybe we should all start speculating that the ATF is going to announce that they're giving up enforcing any Destructive Device classifications on firearms that can fire shotshells. Wonder if we could drive prices down?
  7. Derek Zeanah

    Derek Zeanah System Administrator Staff Member

    I know nothing official, but the scuttlebutt was that Saiga was going to be in trouble because of this.
  8. RX-178

    RX-178 Well-Known Member

    Likewise nothing official here, but the fact that ATI was JUST given an import A-OK on the Akdal Arms 1919 shotgun from the ATF not a more than few days before the SHOT show makes this confusing.

    A source from WITHIN the ATF, but nobody of any official standing said that he thinks it's because of Norinco's trench gun that includes a functional bayonet lug, which is apparently an import no-no.
  9. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    Well the ruling could be a good thing.
  10. W L Johnson

    W L Johnson Well-Known Member

    Can you explain why you think that could be a good thing.
  11. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    They may decide that MORE guns are sporting. That would be a good thing.
  12. W L Johnson

    W L Johnson Well-Known Member

    So you're saying they could go in the opposite direction of what the rumor is, I can't see the ATF doing that. But who knows? We'll just have to wait for the announcement to find out for sure, until then it's just rumors.
  13. RX-178

    RX-178 Well-Known Member

    Another thing is, I think that no matter what the ruling itself is, this is all because the ATF recently waffled on their stance on shotguns in general, specifically with a letter stating that a pistol gripped shotgun with a barrel under 18" is not necessarily an AOW.

    They're now near desperate to clarify their stance on shotguns again.
  14. Jon Coppenbarger

    Jon Coppenbarger Well-Known Member

    RX-178 I could not agree with you more
  15. Geneseo1911

    Geneseo1911 Well-Known Member

    Lots of rumors flying around the interwebz. I'm hopeful it could be something other than the Saiga. The importers have gone to great lengths to keep it within the sporting purpose exemption. The Russky 8 rd. mags are unobtanium in this country for that reason.

    That said, the BATFE is not known for being fair, consistent, intelligent, or reasonable.
  16. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    Doesn't matter whether it's produced domestically or not, anything with a bore over 0.50" in diameter that the ATF doesn't consider sporting is a DD.
  17. Big_E

    Big_E Well-Known Member

    Looks like buying a Saiga 12 may go on the top of my list.

    If they are going to single out that particular shotgun, which I hope not, do you think they would make owners who had them before this "ruling" have to register them? A la, California "Assault Weapons" Ban where they turned pretty much all AR-15 owners who didn't register into criminals?
  18. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    But their press release specifically mentions imports. If they are telling the truth the Kel Tec seems safe since it's domestic. Oh wait, I said "ATF" and "telling the truth" in the same sentence.... my bad.

  19. pikid89

    pikid89 Well-Known Member

    maybe it is going the other way in terms of allowing more as jerkface said
    (for example the taurus raging judge)
  20. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Well-Known Member

    Could it be one of those "readily accepts military parts" issues, whereby IZH will have to angle cut the back of their receivers alla the VEPR and Mak-90 to comply?

    I don't own a Saiga, but I hope that their shotguns are not prohibited because of this!
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