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Attention New Jersey Residents !!!

Discussion in 'Activism' started by meanmotorscooter, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. meanmotorscooter

    meanmotorscooter Well-Known Member

  2. Mongrel

    Mongrel Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the heads up.

    I will contact my representatives and pass this along.
  3. Joe Cool

    Joe Cool Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the reminder - we are on it and I am speaking at my gun club about it in the next few weeks at the monthly membership meeting...

    Also wrote to my reps too! :)
  4. FLA2760

    FLA2760 Well-Known Member

    That is great news. Let's hope that this will go through. In light of the Heller decision it may fly. If it does not NJ should be challenged in court.The obstacles and restrictions that qualified people (non felons) have to endure amount to a defacto ban despite the few carry permits they do issue.
  5. mbdolfin

    mbdolfin Well-Known Member

    This bill is going nowhere

    I hate to say it but this bill is going NOWHERE! It is always introduced and is always shot down. i write my representives everytime it comes up. Sorry NJ but we are just going to have to go on being unarmed victims until we elect some new politicians.
  6. BBQLS1

    BBQLS1 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't mean you should give up and quit fighting for your rights. Nobody is going to do it for you.
  7. pilot teacher

    pilot teacher Well-Known Member

    The bill has serious defects, Note it says a handgun in possession of the driver is to be considered in possession of all the occupants. If the owner of the vehicle has a CCW that mean all the passengers require a CCW? If they don't are they considered to have broken the law and a CCW is required for anybody whose a passenger?

    The bill is a lot of gibberish. Better be careful about this one. Don't forget Lautenberg is a Socio/Communist. It's the kind of law he would embrace.

    Gimee a break.

    There's no nebulous or smoky meaning in the Florida law
  8. meanmotorscooter

    meanmotorscooter Well-Known Member

    "If there is more than one occupant in the vehicle, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of all, except under the following circumstances:

    (1) When it is found upon the person of one of the occupants, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of that occupant alone"
  9. pilot teacher

    pilot teacher Well-Known Member

    Thats what I mean by nebulous. It's wording with a paradoxial meaning and intent meant to confuse. I bet ALL the occupants will be illegally searched.
  10. M203Sniper

    M203Sniper member

    Sorry NJ. BUT you are going to continue being unarmed and victims until you stop electing politicians.

    fixed it for you. :)
  11. pilot teacher

    pilot teacher Well-Known Member

    This is where the law has a serious defect;
    In America you are presumed to be innocent until proved guilty.
    The proposed "pro-gun" law assumes you are guilty unless proved innocent as in Great Britain. Great Britain is a nation whereby if a person defends him/her self and harms the assailant, YOU THE VICTIM will go to jail.:evil:

    Here such a law will slowly but surly foment into "possession of a firearm is against the law.":eek:

    I don't trust any politician to look out for me with sneaky and underhanded laws. Jersyites must dump these politicians in the voting booth. Especially Lautenberg.:cuss:

    (1) When it is found upon the person of one of the occupants, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of that occupant alone"

    See what I mean by nebulous? If the driver is in possesion then all are assumed to be in possesion.
    Can you see what could ensue? Does that mean search without a warrant? Miss interpretation by some law enforcement officers could be rampant.

    Sorry, but the propsed law does no law abiding citizen a favor!
  12. dcal

    dcal Well-Known Member

    NJ Residents - A1282 Flyer

    Print it out and paste it anywhere you think a NJ gun owner will see it.

    Please drop by NJCSD to find out more.

    Attached Files:

  13. Old Guy

    Old Guy Well-Known Member

    Pilot T

    That is why we live here Right! Well if not, a good side bar to the nice people and weather!
  14. Martyk

    Martyk Well-Known Member

    What's the status??

    What is the status of this bill? Has it been voted on yet or is there still time to contract our reps to urge support? (as fruitless as it may seem, I need the practice)
  15. meanmotorscooter

    meanmotorscooter Well-Known Member

    Looks like it's stuck in the Law and Public Safety committee awaiting a vote:

    "1/8/2008 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee"

    If you click on the Last session Bill number, It looks like they always end up just never voting on it going all the way back to 1998.
  16. Sinixstar

    Sinixstar member

    It's pretty clearly defined that direct possession dictates ownership, and would clear anyone else in the car from possible possession. The drug laws work the same way to a degree.

    If you get pulled over with 3 people in your car, and the cops find drugs under the passenger seat, everyone in the car is suspected of possession until such time as they can identify who the drugs belong to. If somebody steps up and says "that's mine" - 99.9% of the time, the other 3 people would be free to go.
    It's applying the same concept to guns that they apply to drugs. Assuming that everyone in the car would have to be CCW'd because one person is carrying - is a big leap. That's not what it says - at all.
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2008
  17. learn2shoot

    learn2shoot member

    I don't hate to say it but you are wrong - This is the same stuff they told Marion Hammer and the other Floridians every year in Florida when it got introduced there - all the naysayers were predicting doom and gloom - but it EVENTUALLY passed - will it happen this year in New Jersey? Don't know, but the defeatism is misplaced - it will hapopen - you need to believe it.

    Pass or Fail, I thank you for your continued effort of contacting your representatives - just be sure to get others to write their reps too.

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