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Austrailia gun ban fail

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by AABEN, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. AABEN

    AABEN Well-Known Member

  2. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    Australian politicians cannot define what a home invasion is?.....isnt "home invasion" pretty self explanatory?
  3. Route666

    Route666 Well-Known Member

    What gun ban? - I have four handguns and my dad's 243 and double-barrel 12-gauge, all legally owned. The branch of the SSAA that I am a member of (Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (note - you spelt the name of my country wrong.......)) has over thirty thousand members. This is only sporting shooters at that branch of that club, and doesn't include all the primary producers / rural land owners / armed security and police. Keep in mind our population is 1/10th of the USA.

    We've never had a right to bare arms in our constitution and gun culture here was never and still isn't the same as in the USA.

    What our gun law changes did, after the Martin Bryant Port Arthur massacre (knee-jerk change, yes, and there are too many restrictions for my liking) is reduce the likelihood that a moron will get his hands on a gun and go nuts with it. It allowed people to either uphold their new licensing requirements and keep their firearms or sell them to the government. Guns were not banned - firearms were re-categorised and licensing requirements were changed basically to require a reason for having it, like for sport shooting, or recreation shooting if you own land.
  4. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    The one that leaves you unable to take pictures like these in your own home:



    Not trying to be rude, but while not an ouright ban, your gun rights are severely restricted and regulated compared to ours.
  5. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    Neither have we, but there are few areas within the US that prohibit the wearing of sleeveless shirts. Pretty sure they're OK "down under" as well.. :D
  6. Ms_Dragon

    Ms_Dragon Well-Known Member

    I bear arms all the time.
    It's way too hot and humid at the moment to wear sleeves.
  7. goldie

    goldie Well-Known Member

    I would have figured with all the open land in that country,& most population by the coast, guns wouldnt be such a problem....
  8. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    Is self defense one allowable reason? And do you have to have a direct reason why you need it, like a dangerous job, someone is stalking you, etc?
  9. Archangel14

    Archangel14 Well-Known Member

    I may be incorrect, but wasn't it the decree of some health minister in AU whereby handguns owners had a certain amount of time to give up their handguns? If I lived in Perth, can I just go to a gun shop and but a semi-auto pistol?
  10. Ms_Dragon

    Ms_Dragon Well-Known Member

  11. bk42261

    bk42261 Well-Known Member

    SO, "if you own land" you may own weapons? What if you DON'T own land?
    No land equals no guns?
  12. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    Thank you. It says I must have a legitimate reason for the gun.

    Is self-defense a legitimate reason? Or does there have to be an actual threat or regular dangerous circumstances?
  13. chemist308

    chemist308 Well-Known Member

    I watched the video and nearly threw up. Weren't we all raised to understand such a tyrannical move by a government would be an act of war against the people? Their people allowed this?!
  14. SDC

    SDC Well-Known Member

    Here's another interesting article that looks at the Australian response to Port Arthur; http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian . It's interesting to note that after Howard banned semi-auto rifles, the entire country had around 640 thousand such rifles turned in for destruction, yet in only the few years PRIOR to the ban, almost a MILLION SKSs were imported from China, so what happened to all of the OTHER SKSs, PLUS all the other semi-autos (10/22s, Mini-14s, Garands, Brownings, etc., etc., etc.) that were in Australia before that tool Howard banned them? After they estimated that the compliance rate with their ban was less than 20%, they did what every OTHER gun control bureaucrat on the planet has done, and "revised" their initial estimates of the actual numbers of the guns in the country downwards, just so they could declare victory.
  15. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Well-Known Member

    So I take it category A & B weapons are fairly easy to procure, category C & H are doable but require a great deal more trouble, category D probably requires some special need be demonstrated and category R are nigh impossible for civilians?
  16. Onmilo

    Onmilo Well-Known Member

    This ain't Australia mate.
  17. Silverado6x6

    Silverado6x6 Well-Known Member

    I plan on taking an extended stay in Oz maybe as early as this year, my collection is robust to say the least but I have no qualms about leaving it all in secure storage while in Oz. And if I stay I plan on acquiring a 3D printer, a mill and lathe, and the metal casting equipment to make castings from the 3D printer. I see a welcome field in Ox, I see a very restrictive and hostile field in the USA.
  18. Sabb0

    Sabb0 Member

    i just spent 20 minutes typing up a big reply and lost it while this site was doing maintenance.

    anyways heres the short version.

    here in Oz we cannot use self defence as a legitimate excuse to own a firearm.
    in my state it took me 10 months to gain my firearms licence. this only allows me the use of rimfire and centrefire (this state has just banned the .338 lapua).
    handgun ownership requires more training and certification and permission is only given for club based target shooting.

    please dont allow your country to follow us as it appears in the media.

    here are some government stats if your interested:


    im happy to answer any questions you may have.
  19. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    Well, Australia, and the rest of the world does not have the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guaranteeing that our God given right of using arms to defend ourselves is not infringed. The Heller decision incorporated the 2A as an individual right with the majority opinion stating that firearms that are in "Common Use" are protected under the ruling. The AR-15 is the single most prolific rifle in the U.S. I would think that would qualify as "Common Use".

    However, we can not stand idley by while AWB's or NFA registration requirements are forced on us until it can be argued by the courts. We must let our legislators know we will FIRE THEM and end their gravy trains should the even entertain more gun control laws.
  20. 9MMare

    9MMare Well-Known Member

    Thanks very much for your time and your answer.

    And I am doing what I can to keep that from happening here.

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