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Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ArfinGreebly, Dec 8, 2006.

  1. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

    I have a Rock-Ola Carbine, Type 2. Nice shooter. I like it a lot. I need more.

    I'm contemplating picking up a new one, Auto Ordnance, basically type 1 sights (flip up, no slide, no windage) with walnut furniture for ~ $650-ish.

    I might be able to beat the price, but that's not the question.

    Anyone out there with one of the new Auto Ordnance carbines?

    What can you tell me about it?
  2. Kevin_G

    Kevin_G Active Member

  3. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    I have no experience with them, nor do I intend to, considering the cost. You can get a good condition, real M1 Carbine for the same price, and it will continue to increase in value over the years, unlike the Auto-Ordnance.

    If you want a like-new M1 Carbine, I think you should consider one of the restored M1 Carbines by Miltech. They are really beautiful guns.
  4. 22/22mag

    22/22mag Well-Known Member

    I bought new a Kahr M1 .30 carbine had some stall on old off brand ammo, new ammo worked fine.Called
    Kahr they sent a pre-paid pick up kept it 5-6 weeks returned with new barrel and polished throat.No charge to me.
    What a great little rifle handy with folding stock and 15-30rd mags.With soft points from Georgia Arms ( FMJ 50rds = $10.00 SP 50rds =$ 13.50 ) the carbine is a powerfull HD rifle with little recoil.
    I liked the M1.30 carbine so I bought another, a National Ord, have it set up as a scout rifle bottom of picture.

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  5. Logan5

    Logan5 Well-Known Member

    There's one in one of my local shops that's been calling to me, but it's the birch stock and I'm holding out for walnut. I've had a good look at it (not torn it down or anything, but gone over it in the shop) and it seems like a perfectly solid product. On the other hand, MSRP is too close to what GI carbines run for me to consider paying it, so I'm also holding out for a better price on one.
  6. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    I know the Universals aren't the nicest, but aren't they something like $350?
  7. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus


    A Store near me has three Carbines on the rack and two on the wall.

    The two on the wall are both classic (Inland & IBM), all original, service grade or better. The owner is a Carbine fan, and strips all the ones he gets in, verifies the parts, checks barrel and action, prices them accordingly.

    Of the ones on the rack, one is an original National Postal Meter, one is a Plainfield (non-mil-spec), and one is a new Auto Ordnance (Kahr) in walnut.

    True enough, the Plainfield is the lowest price, but I want to stay with the mil-spec types. Universal is another non-mil-spec, along with Iver Johnson.

    That leaves me with the Postal and the AO/Kahr (unless I suddenly decide I'm rich).

    The all-original ones are priced well above the AO/Kahr, so I thought I'd fish around and see if I could find someone who has the AO/Kahr and pick their brains.
  8. Kevin_G

    Kevin_G Active Member

    Militech M1 Carbine


    Wow!! Those are beautiful...but the prices start at $1150. I guess if you're looking for a collectable rifle that may be the way to go. I want the rifle to shoot...a lot! So I'm leaning towards the AO.
  9. absolute0

    absolute0 Well-Known Member

    You might want to look around for carbine from National Ordnance. From what I understand back in the 60's or 70's NO made their own recievers and used surplus GI parts to flesh them out. I've seen several now for sale in the sub $300 range - might be worth considering if you can find one.
  10. davera

    davera Well-Known Member

    I have one and like it pretty well. Shoots fine with an occasional FTF - but no more often than a friends Inland. I bought it because the really nice looking milsurps cost more than the AO.
    No complaints.
  11. Dave Markowitz

    Dave Markowitz Well-Known Member

    Although Plainfiedls aren't milspec, they do take GI parts. I'd buy one as a shooter if the price was right ($350 or less).
  12. buzz_knox

    buzz_knox Well-Known Member

    Are the AOs milspec?
  13. Firehand

    Firehand Well-Known Member

    Had a chance to shoot one of the new Kahrs a while back, nice rifle. Accurate, light, good trigger and sights. Was planning on buying one, until I lucked onto a Inland in good shape for a good price.
  14. pinetree64

    pinetree64 Well-Known Member

    Jus got back form a gun show. Looked at three M1's, two folding stock $2K-$3K each and one that looked brand new, parkerized. Did not say AO or Kahr but it was $750.

    I really like the AO ones and would buy one in the $500 range. They are so lite and handy. Much more so than an SKS, an AK or even and AR. I looked at those also.

    Last edited: Dec 10, 2006
  15. yodar

    yodar Well-Known Member


    I have one, all walnut, no metal handguards, nice walnut, lists at $705 got it for $624 with all taxes etc

    I am pleased with fit and function. A real fun gun I will be proud to offer my sons along with the rest of my plunder

    I dunno why this dark horse is kept hidden in the stables, only 2 gunrags reviewed it.

  16. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

    AO = Mil-Spec?

    According to some vendors that do after-market accessories (Like UltiMAK), their product
    and further
    so they recommend
    So, yes, I believe the AO/Kahr is mil-spec.
  17. zinj

    zinj Well-Known Member

    What kind of accuracy can be expected from these carbines?
  18. yodar

    yodar Well-Known Member


    I shot mine at about 75 feet and it hit where I pointed with factory ammo

  19. zinj

    zinj Well-Known Member

    Are there any quantifyable accuracy reports, how many MOA one is capable of, or even can it consistantly hit a (grounded) clay pigeon at 100 yards, etc?
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2006
  20. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member

    Mine will do minute of man on steel chest plates with decent consistency out to 200-225 meters, if I do my job (mine has the later adjustable sight, though, which may be notable in this discussion but which seems to be pretty common on carbines in the "shooter" price range, rather than collectibles). I've tried pushing it out to 300-350 and not had any luck -- I think the round is really at its limits out there, but it may just be me. Never tried putting it on a rest and grouping it in closer, but it does pretty reasonable POI/POA match up at CQB sort of ranges. All in all, it is not a sniper rifle, nor even an AR-15/M16/M4, but it's a fun shooter and accurate enough for a combat long gun (not bad for being made in June of '44, I think).

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