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Automatic .500 Magnum?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR, Jan 22, 2007.


    THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR Well-Known Member

    I'm just hypothesizing, but if someone actually marketed a semi-automatic pistol in .500 S&W Magnum, would anyone buy it?

    I have no clue how they could possibly make a reasonably sized grip, among other technical problems. Conjecture on these problems also appreciated.

    I'm serious about this, eventually someone's just gotta try it.
  2. Warren

    Warren Well-Known Member

    The magazine need not have to go in the grip.

    It could be forward of the trigger, or sticking out from the side, or there could be a tube mag under the barrel.

    I think it was the Mars that the rounds were fed into the area just above the grip leaving the grip properly sized for the shooter.

    It could also be a revolver like a Fosbery Webley or Mateba.
  3. bestseller92

    bestseller92 Well-Known Member

    Just think of the recoil spring that gun would have to have. I guess they could just take a suspension spring off a Mack truck. :)
  4. GregGry

    GregGry Well-Known Member

    It could be done, however the praticality issue comes up. A 500 smith revolver is huge as it is. Making an autoloader that could work with that round would require a very big and bulky frame. ITs unlikely you could have the rounds go through the grip, because you would have to have monsterous hands to hold onto the grip. So now your going to have a exposed mag hanging either infront of or behind the grip. With the mag not going through the grip, you have to extend the size of the pistol more (if you want a decent barrel length) unless you try to make a bulpulp pistol.

    Realistically its pointless. It would be bigger, hevier and uglier then a desert eagle. It would likely cost a fortune and not offer anything more then a 500 revolver would. I really don't understand the need for a handgun bigger then 44mag anyways. If I needed something more powerfull then 44mag, I would be using a rifle. Most people should just stick to the desert eagle for their most powerfull autoloader. Its more gun then 98% of people can handle. I have seen well over 24 people with desert eagles at the range. Only 1 or 2 of them could actually hit what they were aiming at accurately at 50 feet. The rest would be lucky if they hit my target a couple bays over.

    THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR Well-Known Member

    I know it's not realistic, but that's why I started this; for conjecture
  6. Okiecruffler

    Okiecruffler Well-Known Member

    While an auto pistol may be problematic, a little carbine would be a thing to see indeed.
  7. Plastic Cowboy

    Plastic Cowboy Well-Known Member

    An autoloading carbine might be pretty cool. Longer barrel = greater velocity. Talk about devestating!!!

    I'm not sure how well autoloaders work with rimmed cases though. I think all autoloaders (correct me if I'm wrong) use rimless or semi-rimmed cases, not sure why!

  8. Mad Chemist

    Mad Chemist Well-Known Member

    Nope, IIRC there are Desert Eagles chambered in .44mag and .357mag.
    There was another manufacturer who's name I can't recall that marketed a .357 pistol that resembled a 1911. I believe these were somewhat rare. Hopefully someone here knows what I'm rambling on about.
  9. Okiecruffler

    Okiecruffler Well-Known Member

    DE's feed rimmed cartridges quite well. Ruger makes a dandy little 44mag carbine that works well, but uses a rotary mag. I want to say the 1911 357 was a Bren, but I know that isn't right.:confused:
  10. bluecowdawg

    bluecowdawg Well-Known Member


    Coonan .357, and to answer the original question, yes ,someone would buy it:)
  11. boomer1911a1

    boomer1911a1 Well-Known Member

    Couldn't someone just beef up a DE .50 AE? Wouldn't that be enough gun?
  12. dixierifleman

    dixierifleman Well-Known Member

    its already been answered but yea, the .357 1911 was a Coonan. really interesting piece. id love to have one.
  13. Kalashnikov

    Kalashnikov Well-Known Member

    I would buy a .500 carbine in a heartbeat.
  14. pat86323

    pat86323 Well-Known Member

    boomer thatd be one heck of a beefing up. ie pick up 50 ae pistol throw it away and build a new pistol in 500 mag. That round is no joke
  15. Steve C

    Steve C Well-Known Member

    The problem in making a semi auto system with the .500 S&W mag and other cartridges in its class is the pressure the cartridge generates, that is in the rifle catagory of 65,000 psi or so. You need to delay the opening of the action until the chamber pressure drops. Semi auto rifles for high pressure rounds use a gas system as a recoil unlocking system would be extreemly large with a necessary heavy spring. The .44 mag has about 1/2 the pressure of a .500 S&W and you know how large the Deasert Egle is so would a gun that's 2x the weight and size of a DE be a viable option?:eek: I don't think so.

    There is a good chance someone will come up with a rifle that uses this round though. There already is a .50 cal Beowulf that's very similar to the .500 S&W in a AR-15 uper and NEF makes a single shot .500 S&W.
  16. hankdatank1362

    hankdatank1362 Well-Known Member

    How does the Desert Eagle feed rimmed revolver cartridges? I've always wondered, and I assume the same theory would apply to any creation of a .500 magazine, etc.

    THE DRILL INSTRUCTOR Well-Known Member

    I wonder if storing the cartridges at an upward angle would solve the grip size problems? That might also present a unique feeding problem, unless they were brought back to level at the top of the magazine?
  18. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Well-Known Member

    How does the .500S&W compare size-wise to the .50 Beowulf? Alexander Arms already makes a carbine in that caliber and it looks like a barn burner.
    You could always get one of those uppers and put it on a pistol lower :eek:
  19. db_tanker

    db_tanker Well-Known Member

    I think it would be better to have it set up as more of a Wildey pistol than a DE...the Wildey has the advantage of adjustable gas operation...plus a really cool look. :)

    of course, it would be only good for mebbe 5 rounds...same as a wheel gun...but those would be a bit more accurate, IMO due to the autoloader bleeding off some of the gas to work the bolt reducing some recoil...

    As far as an autoloader rifle goes...makes one wonder when....NOT IF. :evil:

  20. DogBonz

    DogBonz Well-Known Member

    How does...

    How does the 500S&W stack up to the 50Beowulf? They look as if they stack up pretty close.

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