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Background checks, round two?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Solo, May 8, 2013.

  1. Solo

    Solo Well-Known Member


    Somehow I doubt this is going to result in anything good, unless they manage to open up the machine gun registry or something of that nature.
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  2. PabloJ

    PabloJ Well-Known Member

    It's a non-event. I had to fill out two forms for my last purchase. Entire process took <10 minutes. I'm not concerned about universal background check at all.
  3. ShooterMcGavin

    ShooterMcGavin Well-Known Member

    Does a nation-wide registry of all firearms/owners concern you? ...because that is what it would take to enforce UBC.
  4. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    Is that really how it's drafted? Thought the term "Universal" meant "all", meaning no private sales with exemptions for such things as family transfers?
  5. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    Nothing to do but watch it, at this point. With the media frenzy losing steam in the wake of a fairly resounding defeat for gun control, they're fishing for more support in a Senate that has offered little. Their spotlight is dimming.

    When they introduce actual legislation, we can kick into high gear and run down specific points of opposition. Until then, we wait... and build up.
  6. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    Background check for online sales??..... So I need a background check to buy the gun online....and another to take possession from my FFL...?

    I swear these people need to not be allowed to draft laws anymore...because they have no idea what they are talking about.
  7. Akita1

    Akita1 Well-Known Member

    Agreed; thought that was already in place given you have to ship to FFL if not in your local market.
  8. morcey2

    morcey2 Well-Known Member

    They're still trying to push it through to have it die in the House. That was the intention from the get-go. Then it would become club to (theoretically) beat those evil, mean-spirited House Republicans in the 2014 mid-terms.
  9. cwo2lt

    cwo2lt Active Member

    It concerns me in that Congress would be acting outside of its charter. They are allowed to regulate interstate commerce only. That makes it a big event.
  10. Deanimator

    Deanimator Well-Known Member

    Are you "concerned" about registration (without which this is all a nullity)?

    How about the sort of de facto BAN that Chicago instituted merely by refusing to accept any registration forms?
  11. TX1911fan

    TX1911fan Well-Known Member

    How about having to get a background check if your brother, son, wife, mother or uncle wants to borrow your gun to go hunting or to the range?
  12. arizona98tj

    arizona98tj Well-Known Member

    Or your shooting buddy of 25 years is thinking about picking up a new ________ CCW for himself. He knows you have one sitting on the top shelf of the gun safe. You're more than happy to loan it to him for a few range trips....oh....their new bill would make you transfer it to him. Then....a few days later....he has to transfer it back to you. $$ spent both ways, trip to the FFL, etc.

    Thanks no....I don't need government oversight on what I legally do with any firearm I own.
  13. Midwest

    Midwest Well-Known Member

    UBC is already here in some states where you cannot lend out a firearm to your spouse.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I think it is already illegal to lend your pistol to your spouse in New Jersey.

    And Illegal in New York if the spouse doesn't have a pistol permit, but the other one does . Unless both spouses have pistol permits with the same pistol listed on both permits.

    And Illegal in Illinois if only one spouse has an FOID and the other doesn't.

    Maybe Illegal in Massachusetts too if both spouses don't have FID's. (Firearm ID cards.)
  14. ShooterMcGavin

    ShooterMcGavin Well-Known Member

    You are correct, that is NOT how it is drafted, at least I think. I believe it says nothing about registration, and that's the catch. After they get UBC passed, they will say "ok, now we need to enforce it" as they push a bill through for registration of all firearms throughout the country. That is what it will take, in order to enforce a UBC law. How can you enforce background checks upon transfers without first knowing who has possession of what?
  15. ShooterMcGavin

    ShooterMcGavin Well-Known Member

    Wanna take it a step further, even... Let's say you are leaving the house and you have a long gun upstairs. Your wife/roommate/friend is staying at home. After you leave the house, possession of the gun has now, technically, been changed to your wife/roommate/friend. It will not be easy (or maybe possible?) to stay within the laws they want, nor will it be financially viable.
  16. MRH

    MRH Well-Known Member

    Unless the paragraph on a requirement for national record keeping is left out of any bill, I don't see the bill passing. I believe this was the main objection to the bill that was voted down.

    Also, Colorado Democrats allowed revision to their CO bill to satisfy some of the objections here, e.g. no checks on transfers to immediate family members, provision for loaning gun in hunting season, etc. If the Senate added the changes made in CO, to the federal bill, there could be enough support for the bill to pass. (I hope not)

  17. Texan Scott

    Texan Scott Well-Known Member

    Allowing Congress to mandate a Federal background check for private transfers = ceding to them the unconstitutional power to regulate intra-state commerce. "Acting outside their charter" indeed.
  18. ShooterMcGavin

    ShooterMcGavin Well-Known Member

    I have heard that according to the law, if you loan a gun during hunting season, and it is held/returned at a time outside of hunting season, a felony has been committed. Check for yourself before taking my word for it. I saw a Youtube video that said that, so take a look around.

    Also, the provision for family members doesn't help if I have a friend visit my house and I want to go out to the store while they stay at home. That is a gun "transfer", and probably will become a felony.

    ...How does the family member provision prevent someone providing a firearm to their brother who is a violent felon? Oh yeah, we already have a law against that :rolleyes:
  19. X-Rap

    X-Rap Well-Known Member

    More lies and shrill talk from the rabble rousers and muck rakers, nothing to see here move on.:rolleyes:
    Of course UBC will have to evolve into universal registration if it is to work.
    They say the last bill made registration a crime but after it passes and there is another tragic mass shooting they will come needing another tool because they can't be sure of who is getting background checks until they know who has the guns.
  20. MErl

    MErl Well-Known Member

    Are you just trolling PabloJ? my last purchase I filled out 1 form and waited 3 weeks for the BG check to go through. Would that make it unacceptable to you?

    I live in CO, this wont matter to me one bit since they are illegal now anyway. I still oppose it because I can still move somewhere where I have the right to sell my personal property.

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