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Bedroom window with the screen taken out and a good bench rest set up :) Wake up, clear eyeballs, put on the ear muffs or ear plugs, look out window, spot bambi's daddy eating wifes azaleas, load rifle, shoot bambis daddy, make wife happy, dress deer, eat breakfast!

I call that a perfect hunt! images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShC6BgORPFqzSr8AaJvXYH9cvjmmK_fRSSbuicESw4hvGBLLzXtqhMd742.png
 
buck460XVR said:
Yep....and just because one shoots an animal with a gun doesn't make it a hunt. As I said in my post that was deleted(your last one containing a personal attack was also) If you prefer to hunt over a bait pile and it is legal in your area so be it. As a fellow outdoorsman I will support your right to do it, but I still don't consider it a hunt. Again as I said in another post, I was just replying to the question asked by the OP.



I did not attack you or any other poster personally or call you names. We are all adults and have a right to our opinion. Name calling, IMHO is not really a debatical tactic used by adults.
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Right, you didn't attack anyone, just made an arrogant, holier than thou comment discrediting the way that people hunt in many parts of the country. I guess it's hunting to shoot a buck in its bed from 300 yards away, but if you shoot a deer at 15 yards that came to corn, it's not hunting? Working off a bait source, natural or man made is hunting, regardless o what you think.

It's people like you that are the threat to hunters with your egotistical attitudes. Not PETA.
 
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One problem here is nobody bothered defining bait.

I agree with Freedom_Fighter_in_IL:
If you hunt ANY known food source, I.E. next to or in between a corn field, soybean field, clover field, alfalfa field, OR if you hunt in, or close to, a stand of Oak trees with acorn mast falling, You are hunting over BAIT!
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I drove from Phoenix to San Antonio a few months back. Along the way, we saw plots of land (in Texas) with giant metal feeders, and visible tree stands (or man-made tripod stands) are placed around those feeders, at varying distances. All of this is clearly visible from the highway.

Both of these examples include baiting, but they aren't the same thing; an honest man can tell the difference. If you want to claim they're the same thing, that's just fine. By the way:

I have a problem with Internet warriors being the end all on what IS and what IS NOT.
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This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read in my entire life.

What part of stating one's opinion in a discussion of ethics makes one person an "Internet warrior," while another person is somehow more worthy of sharing his opinion?? Is it based on whether or not my username is bold? Is it based on the number of people who agree with a particular side?
 
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Lol. The argument of the self righteous.

I suppose dove hunting isnt real hunting because you don't spot and stalk them. Duck hunting isn't real because you hunt over decoys.

What is "real" fishing?

Lol
 
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Yep....and just because one shoots an animal with a gun doesn't make it a hunt.
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Well, opinions are like.....

I could make a case that "hunting" with a firearm of any kind is not hunting, especially across canyons and such, it's "shooting". I could make a case that you're not truly hunting unless you use an atlatl or maybe a hand made bow with no wheels on it. I could make a case that you have to jump on the deer, bite the windpipe with your teeth, and suffocate the deer like lions do or it's not hunting.

Opinions are like......

Have a good day.
 
One thing is for certain, you can't grasp the difference in an opinion and a declaration or determination of ethics.

Have a nice day, in spite of yourself.
 
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I would like to turn some of these stalk hunters in to this 1760 acre thicket that I have. Bring your knee pads. And, when you come out the other side and we get you to the hospital and get some blood back in you we can discuss how you did.
 
ZeroJunk said:
I would like to turn some of these stalk hunters in to this 1760 acre thicket that I have. Bring your knee pads. And, when you come out the other side and we get you to the hospital and get some blood back in you we can discuss how you did.
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They could do it. These guys are real hunters. For real. Not like me or millions of other people that use bait.

:D
 
MCgunner said:
Well, opinions are like.....

I could make a case that "hunting" with a firearm of any kind is not hunting, especially across canyons and such, it's "shooting". I could make a case that you're not truly hunting unless you use an atlatl or maybe a hand made bow with no wheels on it. I could make a case that you have to jump on the deer, bite the windpipe with your teeth, and suffocate the deer like lions do or it's not hunting.
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Yes you could, and that would certainly be your right to express your opinion on a public forum. Like you said, opinions are like.......

But again....the OP asked for opinions in the start of this thread. Some have made valid arguments in defense of their opinions and some have resorted to name calling and condescending posts about hunting while listening to classic music. They are cute responses, but not realistic. They are a attempt to cloud an issue when they have no valid argument or anything of informative value to add to the discussion. I have yet to hear any valid argument of where there is any skill involved while sitting over a pile of bait. I assume this is because there is none. Yes, there have been reasons given as to why there is not a better option for killing a deer, but nothing about what skill is involved. For those that have no other option than to dump bait(unless one is handicapped or incapacitated by age), I feel sorry for you. You are missing out on a wonderful experience. Food deposited by nature or normal agriculture practices are not considered forms or bait. Hauling pails of shell corn and specific mixes meant for attracting deer to a specific spot is. This isn't about egos, this is about ethics and what constitutes a hunt. I was raised in a state where any form of baiting was illegal up until a few years ago. It still is illegal in many areas of the state. Where it is legal is is often abused. According to the local warden, altho only about 10% of the local hunters bait, 80% of the citations he gives are for violations around bait. This includes not only too much bait in too many locations, but the shooting before and after legal hunting hours. This is not my opinion, but fact. These kind of ethics are what gives me a bad taste in my mouth for baiting. I realized that not all baiters are violators, but when they tend to get the majority of violations, it tells me something.

This year marks my 46th year to hunt deer, both with bow and gun. I figure I am entitled to my opinions based of my experience without having to have folks that don't know me call me names because they don't agree with my level of ethics. There ain't no one here that can afford a computer, internet access and the time to sit and post on a gun forum that needs to kill a deer to feed their family. It is all about the sport and the pride that comes from outwitting a worthy quarry. I doubt that I could ever achieve this sittin' over a pile of bait.............and yes, it is my opinion. Get over it.
 
I sometimes bait just to see if anything will eat it. A gallon or two of corn once every couple of weeks isn't going to change a deer's habits- at least where I hunt. It is just fun to me. If I happen to be hunting and something is eating my bait, I will not feel unethical at all if I shoot it.

What I do is legal. If you don't like it, I won't try to make you like it.
 
What is "real" fishing
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casting nets, and using speers and arrows and bare hands.... I've heard tales of dynamite being used...but since we can't use exploding bullets and arrow heads for deer, I reckon they aint legal for fishes either....

btw, I don't fully agree nor disagree with baiting game. it's got it's good points and bad as well. I ended up having to do it to get meat this year so I can't say anything bad about it except it gets expensive
 
I'm all clear now. Corn that is lying on the ground that was planted by humans = not bait

Corn put on ground with a bucket= unethical baiting/cheating.

Glad someone cleared that up for me.
 
Some here sound as if they are of the righteous hunters. Its a good thing they the time to invest, So many that like to hunt and eat wild game don't have time to invest in scouting or even finding a proper to place to do so and use what the law gives them to harvest wild game. So for the righteous ,be very proud of how great you live an stop try berate others. That is how it comes across.
 
But again....the OP asked for opinions in the start of this thread. Some have made valid arguments in defense of their opinions and some have resorted to name calling and condescending posts about hunting while listening to classic music. They are cute responses, but not realistic. They are a attempt to cloud an issue when they have no valid argument or anything of informative value to add to the discussion. I have yet to hear any valid argument of where there is any skill involved while sitting over a pile of bait. I assume this is because there is none. Yes, there have been reasons given as to why there is not a better option for killing a deer, but nothing about what skill is involved. For those that have no other option than to dump bait(unless one is handicapped or incapacitated by age), I feel sorry for you. You are missing out on a wonderful experience.
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Wow, and here I was thinking that my post earlier was quite informative myself. Even my "almost" 8 year old understood it. I guess you are just a little too close minded to get the drift of this very easy to understand post

I see we have a few hypocrites in this thread. Basically, as a couple of others have kind of danced around in saying, If you hunt ANY known food source, I.E. next to or in between a corn field, soybean field, clover field, alfalfa field, OR if you hunt in, or close to, a stand of Oak trees with acorn mast falling, then guess what,,, You are hunting over BAIT! Period. No if's and's or but's about it. If you are smart enough to figure out that a deer eats a certain type of food in a certain area and at a certain time, you are hunting over bait.

While the TRUE definition of bait is using a certain food or lure to entice an animal or fish to come to a certain location, one may also discern the definition to be, using a natural food source to pattern the movements of a specific game animal. If you hunt a water source, you are hunting over bait as well. If you are hunting over ANY natural source that has caused a specific pattern of a game animal, you are hunting over bait. Say what you wish, but before you go saying there is no skill needed when hunting over bait, try hunting in South Texas for white tail without cutting a scendaro or putting out a feeder. Cudos to anyone that can successfully tag out deer without them. Same goes for MANY locations in the US. I'll bet the hypocrites are the ones hunting in places like South Central PA where the deer damn near jump into the back of your truck and slit their own throats. (I've hunted that area many years so yes I know how they are)
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Now again I will pose the question for you. Have you EVER hunted areas such as South Texas? If not, then maybe you should hold off on your UNEDUCATED opinions and beratement of others. Do not cast stones at what some HAVE to do to be successful at harvesting deer.
 
If you have never hunted in Alabama you have no idea how hard it is. Its not like other parts of the country where you get to pick which deer you want out of a whole field full. Sometimes you just need a little help seeing the deer. Im all for baiting because here its mostly pines and all the acorns are gone by thanksgiving. If to don't keep some kind of food source in your area the deer will leave. Cause the people that are hunting right next to you are baiting so you mine as well put it out to.
 
Stalking and stand hunting both have there place and I like many have done plenty of both year ago. Nothing is more crazy than being in a palmetto patch with several hogs that you and they did not know were there. Or study'n a deer at distance being sure it what you want and then make a good controled shot at longer distance. Now if your a heathy person and can drag or pack a deer out over some distance then stalk your butt off . If your not healthy and can not drag a deer out or walk and stlk around for most of the day then I will darn well do what the states laws alow. Baiting and all.

If you also have a child or grandchild that you wish to introduce to hunting. You go right ahead and walk a kid around in the wood most of the day and you will have one or things happen. They will never hunt with you again or never hunt period. Now if you own or have the rights to enough land that allows you to be a stalk hunter you go right ahead .

I can't think of how many times over 45 years I have watched a stalk hunter walk across public land and see them with there orange vest or camo stalking along flushing deer like crazy. Sitting on high ground glassing into a valley and watch some joe hunter flush a group of elk they could do nothing about. Or stalk up in and area that I thought no one was there and have another hunter stalking up too. Done it in 5 states when younger. Nothing s*cks more than to slip into the woods for a nice day of hunting at 5 am in the middle of know where USA and when the sun creeps up you study the land and see 5 or 6 orange vest or camo around you.. Thats when a group of us started leaseing land setting rules and stand or ground hunt but with for the most part. 10 hunters and a thousand acers. If you have very good relations with some hunters you might stalk out an area moveing toward your hunting buddy useing your radios. Thats the extent of my stalking anymore. Stalking public land is how hunters get killed and not many have the private land to do it on.
 
I strongly object to the rude phrasing and harsh, arbitrary nature of the commentary from some of those who don't like hunting from a stand or over bait.

It's one thing to disagree. That's fine. But an arrogantly stated opinion is pretty dog-gone Low Road.

I don't see how watching over bait is any different from watching at a water-point such as a spring or a stock-tank. Or watching at any food source of any sort, including a small oak motte where acorns are likely.

Looks like to me that too many folks are afraid of anything that's different from their own little world. Happy to make a career of picking fly-poop out of pepper...
 
I crept up to within 70 yards of a mediocre 10 point and a doe the other day. I finally decided to give him a lesson in living and started trotting toward him waving my arms in the air. Hopefully he will pay more attention and live through this season and maybe be worth taking next year.

Fact is, other than bow hunting and older bucks I have never seen that it took much skill to kill a deer any way you want to go about doing it.
 
I generally stay out these types of discussions but what's the difference of hunting an oak bottom loaded with acorns vs a corn feeder??
The deer are coming to both.
 
buck460XVR said:
Deer trained to come into bait piles are used to human scent. They have come to associate it with fresh bait. No need really to worry about the wind or cover scent, especially at gun hunting ranges. Most bait pile hunters sit in elevated boxes, so even sitting still isn't necessary. Only skill needed there is carpentry skills when erecting the stand. I have no problem with "sitting on stand" when it consists of scouting an area and waiting in ambush to take an animal that is either trying to escape or using natural game trails to get to and from bedding/feeding areas. Training the local deer to come to a specific spot by dumping a food that is more desirable than locally available, and then shooting them is basically shooting a domesticated animal.

Again. if a person wants to shoot an animal over a pile of bait and it's legal, I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with them calling it a "hunt".
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Well then, I suppose hunting upland game with a dog is not hunting either, correct? I mean after all the dog is the one doing the hunting. It finds the birds, points them, you flush and kill them, then the dog finds the dead bird. All you did was shoot the bird.

If a person wants shoot birds over a dog and it's legal, I have no problem with it. I do have a problem with them calling it a "hunt".

Sound familiar?

35W

P.S- I use a German Shorthair Pointer AND I have a corn feeder on my property.
 
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