Before the "BIG BAN"

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1. Magazines, as many as you can.

2. If more resources, magazines of all kinds, AR lowers, folding stock AKs (I hate them but have been buying them for trading stock after AWBII goes through), AKs (47s and 74s), JLD PTR, DSA FALs, Fulton or LRB M14s. Get something funky too like an XCR or a Galil clone or a PS90.

I'd also be buying .50USMG ammo and a weapon chambered in .50USMG. Have no doubt that President Clinton will declare .50s and their ammo to be NFA as soon as she can. As such as AKs and ARs terrify the politicians, they truly fear the limo guns.

Forget all about milsurps, suppressed short-barreled rifles (or whatever the latest range toy of the Errornet is), and CMP guns, and revolvers and pistols and all the other shlock. Get want you can now because '09 onward isn't going to be pretty.
 
As others have tried to point out, I don't think AR lowers are going to help you much.

Even if you buy the lower, attach a pre-ban upper, and document it with a photo, if you ever sell just the lower to someone else in stripped form, I think you will be on shaky ground to think the second owner could put a pre-ban upper on it. If the ATF ever questions it, the factory will list it as a stripped lower, and the second owner will have taken possession after the new ban.

You might be able to get away with it, but I don't want to risk going to jail over a stripped lower.
 
I don't see HR 1022 passing in its current form. Too sweeping, too much of a political football. I don't see the Democrats pushing the point at the moment, as they still remember what is was like being on the outside looking in. Give them a couple years, especially if they get the White House, and that may change.

I still say go after the features that the gun banning crowd really hates -- ARs with collapsible stocks, AKs and FALs with folding stocks, etc. Those might be right out even in a watered down HR 1022.

Same thing with high cap mags (only get them for guns you've got, if you're sweating HR 1022, since if I'm not mistaken, you can't sell the person to person). Even if 1022 doesn't go into effect as written, some stupid round count limit is entirely possible.

And donate money to whoever runs against the moron from Long Island that proposed HR 1022 in '08.
 
SaMx sees the problem:

Under 1022, the receiver won't do you any good because all the stuff to turn it into an "assault weapon" IS defined as an "assault weapon". Those "less receiver" kits would be prohibited.

They're starting to pick up on the fact that a gun is more than just a receiver.
And they're out to stop any and every way of stopping sales of semi-autos.
 
I'm a current student at the University of Minnesota and I will be heading out to New York this comming fall for graduate school. Being on a student budget, I don't have much to work with. But if this AWB gets to the floor for a vote, I will be breaking out my credit cards. However difficult this will be on my budget in the short-term, I can't imagine how difficult it will be to buy them in 2009 when I get out of grad school.

My top priority guns
1. Converted Saiga-12
2. M4
3. Ak in 5.45
4. M1 Garand

Top accessories
1. Beta mag
2. Magazines for all the handguns I foresee owning in the future
3. Magazines for all the rifles above (sans M1 of course)
 
I'm in the same boat as you, Daemon (but farther south ;) ).

Here's my checklist:
1. AK variant (just got it, actually. A surprisingly well put together Yugo M70 underfolder for $500)
2. Tromix-ed Saiga 12 gauge
3. FAL of some sort
4. PS90 (not sure if this'll be worth it, if the ammo gets banned like I hear... hopefully that's just more unfounded rumors) or more likely, just the Five-seveN, even though it feels like a cap gun.
5. mags mags mags MAGS MAGS!!! I like the idea of the Promag translucent AK mags, but all other clear mags I've had for both my AR and 10/22 were absolute donkey [excrement]. I'm a sucker for see-thru mags.

I want to grab a beta c or two sometime. Perhaps in between the Tromix and FAL.

To be perfectly honest, I've been anxious ever since the ban sunset in '04, but I'm not really that much more nervous now than I was then. If anything, any raise in my stress level is due to anticipation of getting that Tromix... woo wee those are some slick scatterguns!

(note: woo, first post!)
 
Why does everyone say get lowers instead of entire rifles?
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Because they aren't paying attention to how the proposed law has been worded.

They assume that if you have a pre-ban lower you can do whatever you want with it after the ban. That is not the case. A stripped lower cannot be assembled into a rifle that would be banned, once the ban goes into effect.

If you are ever investigated after the ban, the ATF will find out from the factory what configuration the rifle was in when it left the factory. If it was shipped as a stripped lower, and the ATF finds it now in a banned configuration, you better have good documented proof that you configured it that way before the ban. Some have suggested you could take one upper with banned features, and attach it to several different lowers and take a photo of them each, and then claim that all the lowers were in a banned configuration before the ban, and that they should be grandfathered. That might work, or you might end up in jail because of it.
 
I just paid $45 each for 2 30-Round SAIGA mags for my new VEPR. As much as the price pisses me off, I plan to buy at least two more. I don't have to stock up on mags for my existing handguns, because neither takes high-cap mags to begin with. What I am interested in acquiring pre-ban is another pistol or two, a shotgun, another Ruger 10/22 and a bunch of Butler Creek Steel Lips 10/22 mags. Once that is done, I plan to start stockpiling ammo.
 
Some have suggested you could take one upper with banned features, and attach it to several different lowers and take a photo of them each, and then claim that all the lowers were in a banned configuration before the ban, and that they should be grandfathered. That might work, or you might end up in jail because of it.
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The problem with this approach is the "Conversion Kit" language that is added to 18 USC 921(a). Parts that can be used to make an assault weapon are now treated as assault weapons too - so how are you going to build up that stripped lower in the future even if you are able to prove it is preban? You would have to buy a "preban" barrel and "preban" pistol grip along with a "preban" handguard, etc. etc.

The stripped lower approach won't work with H.R. 1022 as written. You need the complete rifle and I'd also plan on buying all the mags you'll ever want as well. Better approach is to kill H.R. 1022 dead now so you don't have to worry about it or at the very least, you have more time to buy.
 
What is a good way to document AR's were assembled before the ban? Besides a dated camera...Because can't you just change the date on your camera and take a pic?
 
what about ammunition? I plan on getting several AK magazines and some new S&W 59 magazines (Anyone know where I can get some of these?).
 
Mags

When the first ban was in all I remembered was kicking myself for not buying more mags:banghead:
The guns I plan on are,
1st- 50bmg
2nd- 223 pistols,ar and plr16
3rd-G3 or Fal
4th-Anything they say is evil
 
Buy stripped lowers, but buy the parts too.

Why?

You save yourself $100+ doing it this way, even for the same rifle. More important, you deprive the federal gov. of $50 of FET revenue.

David
 
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