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Black Powder firearm laws?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Diggers, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. Diggers

    Diggers New Member

    So what are the laws reguarding flint locks and cap and ball fire arms? I'm guessing these guns don't fall under normal gun laws but I'm not sure.

    I've become interested in buying a Kentucky rifle, just for kicks, and seen them for sale online. Just making sure this doesn't have to go through a dealer and end up costing more in the end.

    BTW I'm in CA if anyone knows the fine details of CA law for black powder that would be great.

  2. brickeyee

    brickeyee New Member

    Muzzle loading guns are not firearms under federal law.

    States may have restrictions though.
  3. Black Toe Knives

    Black Toe Knives New Member

    FFL transfer is not required on muzzleloaders.
  4. Guillermo

    Guillermo member

    I think that legally muzzleloaders are pipes with handles

    (I am not an attorney, thank you Lord)
  5. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    Page 4 (electronic page 9):

    18 USC 921:

  6. Diggers

    Diggers New Member

    Well thats good news, thanks guys.

    I'm looking forward to making some smoke. :D
  7. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle New Member


    I purchased my T/C New Englander on gunbroker and all I had to do was
    FAX the seller a copy of my CA drivers license to prove I was over 18. Very
    simple transaction, it showed up in the mail a few days later.

    I believe purchases of black powder in CA are limited to one pound only and the last few times I bought some GOEX at a local range the seller had to copy
    my D/L. I don't know if that's a State requirement or not.

    Hopefully, the geniuses in our State Legislature will leave BP firearm regulations as they are and some knucklehead doesn't try to rob a 7-11 with
    a Colt Walker to ruin it for everyone.
  8. Diggers

    Diggers New Member

    Cool, thanks for the info Bullwinkle. Interesting about the one pound limit. Not that it would cause me any issue. I guess it’s because black powder is an explosive while smokeless is a propellant.....?

    Whatever, if I ever needed more than a pound (I don't see it happening) I'm sure I could buy some at one place and more at another.

    BTW I'm in SoCal too. Where do you shoot?
  9. Librarian

    Librarian Active Member

    CA does, however, consider them firearms for purposes of concealed carry. Obviously not an issue for a Kentucky Long Rifle, but it is for pre-1898 revolvers.
  10. trs18

    trs18 New Member

    I've bought a lot of muzzleloading BP rifles and pistols in California, laws are no different than most other places for BP muzzleloaders. UPS delivers to my office on the 16th floor in San Francisco financial district, no problems.
  11. Quiet

    Quiet Active Member

    In regards to obtaining/possessing more than one pound of black powder in CA...

    CA law [H&S 12102.1] requires a vendor to collect certain info on a person buying more than one pound of blackpowder or more than 20 pounds of smokeless powder.

    CA laws [H&S 12102 and H&S 12101] prohibits the storage/possession of more than one pound of blackpowder, unless the person is licensed as a pyrotechnic operator.
  12. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Many states consider then "firearms" when taken from the carrying angle, so be careful with that for sure.
  13. PapaG

    PapaG Active Member

    Unfortunately, in IL, we have to run MLs through the same hoops as any other firearm. About the only thing we don't have to do a 4473 on here is air guns with velocity under 700 fps and 17 cal or smaller.

    Gives us here in the land of incarcerated governors a warm, save, fuzzy feeling.
  14. Sunray

    Sunray Active Member

    "...I'm looking forward to making some smoke..." Buy a copy of Lyman's BP Handbook and Loading Manual first. BP is loaded in grains, by volume, not the weight.
    Flintlocks have their own kind of weirdness too. Better to start with a percussion lock.

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