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Black powder load data for .44 mag

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 9w1911, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    I own the lyman book and its lacking on some info,
    anyone here stuff 3f in a .44 mag case?

    new to BP but seems fun
  2. TurtlePhish

    TurtlePhish Well-Known Member

    With BP it's usually fill it to the point that there's no air space left in the case. Use a drop tube to fill the cases.

    It's not possible to stuff enough BP in a case to blow an action built for smokeless. Space between the powder and bullet can be dangerous, though.
  3. quaid

    quaid Well-Known Member

    It's not originally a BP cartridge. (Not that it can't be done though!)
  4. blarby

    blarby Well-Known Member

    I'd also like this info, if anyone has done it.
  5. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    i am hearing 30grns of 3f
  6. Hammerdown77

    Hammerdown77 Well-Known Member

    You can load black powder in just about anything. I even saw a YouTube video of a guy shooting black powder loads in his 1911.

    Figure out where the base of the bullet will be when seated to the crimp groove. Add about an 1/8" to that. Fill up the case with black powder to that line. Now weigh it. Then, take whatever dispenser you are going to use and adjust it until it throws that weight. Load away!
  7. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    .44 Mag is just an elongated and strengthed .44 Russian, so in a real sense it is a BP case. There's no reason it can't be loaded with black. Other than getting soot on your minty Smith & Wesson ;-)

    I like using compression dies with these kids of rounds, it makes it a lot easier to push down the powder. Just load like a .45 Colt BP, use cast bullets and if possible cast bullets with BP friendly lube.
  8. targetshooter22

    targetshooter22 Well-Known Member

    I load this with great success and frequency. The 200 grain LRNFP has enough space for about 33 grains of fffg. Accuracy with well lubed bullets is excellent. We call it the 44 extra long Russian.
  9. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    Any issues.with a plated Berry bullet in 240gr ..I do have lswc in 240gr also.
  10. targetshooter22

    targetshooter22 Well-Known Member

    Carrying enough lube to keep the fouling soft is the key to accuracy. I cast my own Big Lube design bullets (MAV Dutchman design for the 44), the use a lube sizer to put in a large amount of lube made from Crisco and soy wax. This method keeps things working well, and the load is quite accurate; basically the second shot is as accurate as the 100th. It is my understanding these bullets are commercially available from a couple of sources, as are the molds.
  11. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    so what you are saying is i cannot use a plated bullet?
  12. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    For the first few shots it probably won't matter much. But it ain't a match made in heaven. You could possibly help matters a little with a card/lube wad/bullet stack. But you'd have to use a rammer to get the powder down. And I don't know how well it would actually work.

    I also seem to remember something about very low FPS plated rounds shredding jackets. Not sure about that one though.
  13. bluetopper

    bluetopper Well-Known Member

    There are very good reasons modern cartridges don't use black powder any more.
  14. savanahsdad

    savanahsdad Well-Known Member

    go to Hodgdon's web site , look up there Cowboy loads, there are loads for Triple Seven and Pyrodex , and how to load them
    hope this helps ,
  15. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    thank you^^
  16. blarby

    blarby Well-Known Member

    But I can't make nitrocellulose.

    We all have our reasons.
  17. Reefinmike

    Reefinmike Well-Known Member

    blackpowder shotshells with very fine glitter mixed in with birdshot would be a hoot on a busy windy day at the trap range :neener:
  18. targetshooter22

    targetshooter22 Well-Known Member

    Black powder cartridge at non-magnum velocities isn't inferior, it's just different. I think the plated bullets and their jacketed kin will not give you the results you are looking for in terms of target shooting, but they will go bang, and at least the first few will be reasonably accurate. If you want to take up cowboy action or some BPCR shooting sport, you will want to go with a lead bullet that carries a lot of lube.

    Incidentally, clean up isn't more work (I think it's less), it's just different. I use Ballistol mixed with water (1 part Ballistol, 7 parts water), some paper towel, and a bore snake. Using this method, it takes me about an hour or a little less to clean two pistols, a levergun, and a shotgun. In a pinch, hot soapy water and an air compressor work too. If you use the "usual" mart-mart solvents, it will take much longer. :)
  19. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    For now I dont want to be a cowboy action shooter, but,,I do want to shoot the guns and shoot similar loads, also BP seems like a fun time. I look at it like this, I have a 44 lever, I can shoot bp, I have some LSW, and some LRNFP on the way so why not?
  20. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    I dont have a coach gun yet but bp in that would be awesome

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