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Bolt "battle rifle"

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mencius, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Mencius

    Mencius Well-Known Member

    I am looking to get a reliable bolt-action rifle in 308 or 30-06. I want reliability first and accuracy next (sort of the AK philosophy I guess). The two guns I am considering at the moment are the Belgian or Brazilian(?) mauser action in 30-06 or an enfield 2A1 in 308. I lean a little toward the 308 at the moment as far as caliber, but I like the simplicity of the mauser action. I don't want to have to re-chamber.

    I have considered just getting a hunting rifle out of the paper, but would rather have a military gun I think. The military rifles seem more reliable and hardier and easier to find with iron sights.

    I am pretty open to any suggestions, the two above are just my first thoughts on the subject.

    And no, I don't shoot 1000 yards...

    Any thoughts?
  2. ScrapMetalSlug

    ScrapMetalSlug Well-Known Member

    What is your price range? Maybe something like a M1903A3 Springfield, but they aren't cheap. They make reproductions, but they are fairly expensive too. It is basically a mauser action, and the US govt got sued for copyright infringement of the mauser.
  3. henschman

    henschman Well-Known Member

    An FR-8 meets that role perfectly. 7.62x51, K98 action, adjustable aperture sights, nice and handy with the 17.75" barrel. It even has a threaded muzzle and flash hider. Another benefit of the mil surps over commercial hunting rifles is that they feed from stripper clips.

  4. D Rat

    D Rat Active Member

    Bolt Battle Rifle

    Have you looked into the Fin. Model M-39 Mosen Nagant.
    You will get boath of the things that you are looking for.
    D Rat
  5. Mencius

    Mencius Well-Known Member

    I was hoping to stay <$500, but I don't have a great feel for how much I would have to spend to get something that meets my criteria.

    The FR-8 looks like a great idea. I will definitely have to look around and see what I can come up with. They look to be pretty inexpensive too. How are they, quality wise?

    I don't really want to get anything in the x54R round.
  6. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    I've recently considered a military bolt rifle, also. Hadn't gotten too far in my deliberations yet, but the Mosin came to mind strictly due to cost of ammo. .308 and 30-06 aren't exactly cheap anymore.
  7. Mencius

    Mencius Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the mosin is definitely a thought as far as an inexpensive rifle and inexpensive ammo. I am just too vested in 308 and, to a lesser degree, 30-06. I just don't want to have to pick up another caliber. And, the prevalence of corrosive x54 bothers me. I know, I know, you just have to clean up afterward and there is non-corrosive out there, but I don't want to have to worry about it.
  8. vaupet

    vaupet Well-Known Member

    fn build mauser in 308, build as a sniper rifle for the israeli army is just great.


  9. 303tom

    303tom member

    You are right, Enfield makes a good build platform................
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2013
  10. henschman

    henschman Well-Known Member

    A hell of a lot better than an Ishapore 2A (or anything else made in India for that matter). Spanish Mausers are pretty well regarded. They are kind of middle of the road as far as Mausers go. They are no German or Swede, but then again they are no Turk or Yugo either. The FR-8's were converted from M1943 Mausers in the 1960s, after Spain joined NATO, so they tend to be in better shape than most Mausers you see out there. You can definitely get a decent one in your price range. I found mine for $260, but that was pretty lucky. You can find a nice one for $350-400 no problem. Just hit Armslist and Gunbroker.
  11. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    No. 4 Enfield and be done with it.
  12. Cal-gun Fan

    Cal-gun Fan Well-Known Member

    I've always wondered-what is the purpose of that thing under the FR-8 barrel? Stabilizer or something? Obviously isn't a gas system, but resembles one of an M14.
  13. TurtlePhish

    TurtlePhish Well-Known Member

    Believe it or not, it holds a cleaning kit.
  14. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    Military surplus rifles just aren't my thing. Nothing against them, they just don't appeal to me. If you are considering a hunting rifle I'd look at one of the CRF Rugers or Winchesters. Those two would likely be just as rugged and reliable as any of the military bolt guns,but with some modern features. I don't think it would be possible for under $500 though. A used Ruger might be right at $500, but after adding irons it would put you over budget.

    Adding iron sights to a modern gun is not that difficult or expensive. You can very easily end up with very high quality irons that would be better quality than factory or military grade sights for a lot less than a budget scope and mounts.

    Not trying to talk you out of one of the military rifles, just pointing out other options, and the route that I would take.
  15. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    If buying mon-military, the Ruger "American" rifle is about $365 new at Walmart.
  16. desidog

    desidog Well-Known Member

    I have an FR-8 as well; used to have an FR-7.

    Just remember that you should NOT shoot .308win out of a pre-98 Mauser action. The FR's and Spanish Model of 1916 was chambered for 7.62 CETME.

    When you see "Spanish Mauser chambered in .308win" it's generally because of the ignorance of the author. Generally speaking, it's a very minor issue that doesn't matter...unless you're shooting .308win 62K PSI loads in a small ring action like the FR-7 or Model of 1916 Spanish Mauser that were chambered for 40K PSI 7.62 CETME ammo. Metallurgy back then wasn't super either...

    ETA: you should read up on shooting .308 Enfields in the rain too....
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2012
  17. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Well-Known Member

    OR, just buy a savage and be done with it.....
    for close to the same money you will get a new rifle

    it will out shoot you, won't be a crap shoot on condition etc.
  18. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    The Savage or Ruger American are OK, and accurate rifles for the money but the OP specifically said.

    He wants something dead nuts reliable that can take abuse and still work under the harshest conditions. That means traditional CRF Mauser or Mauser style actions with all steel parts found only on the miltary rifles, the Ruger MK-II's, Hawkeye's, various commercial Mausers, and CRF Winchesters.
  19. billymarr

    billymarr Well-Known Member

    or a Howa it is robust and easy to work with. A Tika is another good platform as is a CZ.
  20. Ash

    Ash Well-Known Member

    US Rifle Model of 1917. 30-06 with excellent sights.

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