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Booby-trapped hand grenades

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    How are zero-delay hand genades marked by different armies to distinguish them from the real thing?
  2. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member


    I wasn't aware of such a thing. What a smart idea... if you're not the one to test them. :neener:

    EDIT: Did a bit of Googling...

  3. Preacherman

    Preacherman Well-Known Member

    When we found terrorist arms dumps, we didn't mark them at all... just swapped out every third grenade fuse for an instantaneous detonator. After a few terrorists came to sticky ends, they would abandon the lot!

    Same applied to other munitions. Take every tenth round, pull the bullet, remove the propellant and insert industrial dynamite - then re-insert the bullet, put back in magazine or belt, and await results. Ever seen a receiver that's fired a round like that? Not pretty...

    (Oh - and do make sure - VERY sure - to warn your own forces never, EVER to use any captured munitions, because your experiments might be to their detriment! :D )
  4. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    Smart smart smart.... I wonder if our boys in Iraq are doing the same? Man, I sure hope so.... :evil:
  5. RevDisk

    RevDisk Well-Known Member

    They aren't, body marking wise. Sorta defeats the purpose. It's the same grenade (usually), just different fuse.

    Generally, no. All weapons are supposed to be policed up and usually destroyed. Some are re-issued to the Iraqi forces.
  6. Arc-Lite

    Arc-Lite Well-Known Member

    same tactic used in nam.. lace the ammo dumps with exploding ammo...
  7. Derek Zeanah

    Derek Zeanah System Administrator Staff Member

    I believe Germans in WW2 had two blue colors for the pull-cords -- one was normal, one was "instant."

    In the time before color photography had really caught on, that might have been good enough...
  8. c_yeager

    c_yeager Well-Known Member

    This is why i always get a kick out of people who think having ammo compatability with the enemy is a good thing. Scavenged ordinance = BAD idea.
  9. max popenker

    max popenker Well-Known Member

    The most entertaining video clip that i've seen was that filmed by Chechen terrorists when testing a newly obtained recoilless rifle. The RR was apparently bought from some "bad" Russian army officer, who indeed turned not so bad.

    On the video tape, one of the bearded Chechchen 'fighters' loaded the RR, screamed 'Allah Akbar' and pulled the cord... Bang... and he's blown into pieces along with RR - apparently, the ammo was booby-trapped by the 'seller'.

    The C4-filled rifle and MG ammo also reportedly has been sold many times to such 'rebels' by similar 'bad' Russian army officers.

    What can i say - that's a fair trade.
  10. jefnvk

    jefnvk Well-Known Member

    My uncle, who was over in Iraq, told me that no one was allowed to fire anything captured until the armorers had a llok at. Seems the Iraqis had a habit of doing that very thing, drilling holes in the reciever under the handguards, etc.
  11. myrockfight

    myrockfight Well-Known Member


    I read about that in a book written by someone who was in Special Ops. He also said that he came across an North Vietnamese guy who had a bolt that flew up in his face and killed him. He made the remark wondering if it was one of their "reworked" rounds.

    He also noted that the North Vietnamese were so confused with the situation, that they were questioning the ammunition suppliers (Chinese and Russians? IIRC). Planting bad munitions created more bad reprecussions the enemy than they originally expected - happily, of course. PsyOps are great when they are working in your favor!

    Anyone know the source (s)? I don't have my extensive collection of books with me at this moment.
  12. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    Older high school friend told me of that trick used in Viet Nam....

    Pull the bullets, dump powder and then refill cases with either Hercules (Now Alliant Powders) Unique or Bullseye. I don't remember which one he said they used, but it most resembled the original powder. Would make for about a 5x to 8x overcharge....got real interesting for the shooter.
  13. 280PLUS

    280PLUS Well-Known Member

    I have two titles in mind, one of which I believe has some stories related to "salting" ammo dumps and IRRC a story about a junior officer who thought he could throw a 0 delay grenade away before it went off. Lost the arm trying. There was reference to "What part of "instantaneous" didn't he understand"

    Either "Walking Point" by James Watson or "Dear Mom" by Joseph Ward. I skimmed through both but could not find it. Not enough time right now.

    I'm leaning toward "Dear Mom" but I'm not sure.
  14. HankB

    HankB Well-Known Member

    I would hope that when our troops in Iraq find an unattended arms cache, that at least sometimes they booby trap it. This strikes me as a most excellent idea.

    But it wouldn't surprise me if some politically correct REMF issued orders prohibiting this.
  15. Rabid Rabbit

    Rabid Rabbit Well-Known Member

    IIRC my opfor training (20 years ago) correctly the russian grenades had a number stamped on the spoon or the hammerfor the number of seconds delay.
  16. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    I read that the French supplied some zero-delay grenades and explosive-loaded rifle ammunition to a terrorist group in Algeria(?)...not long after, two terrorists blew themselves up while trying to throw grenades into a crowded marketplace...
  17. Bob R

    Bob R Well-Known Member

    Years ago in Djoubiti (before the current buildup of US troops), I had the opportunity to hang out with a couple of French Foreign Legionaires from the US.

    At the time (and probably still so), Djoubiti was a haven for trafficking in illegal arms. They did the same that other countries did. Whenever they found people with grenades, rifles, whatever, they would sabotage a few of them so they would maim or kill the user and leave the rest.

    They said salting a case of grenades with a few with instant fuses helped keep the sale of them down. They did the same to ammo, and weapons.

    As a side note, it seemed the favorite pastime of the legionaires in Djoubiti was to try to pick fights with the regular frech army people stationed there. Seldom did the french rise to the challenge, they sat there and allowed themselve to be insulted and degraded by the legionaires.

    It was also home to the "BEST" crepe restaurant I have ever eaten at.

  18. Double Maduro

    Double Maduro Well-Known Member

    There is also the story about the gang bangers in LA a couple years ago. Seems these Einstiens stole some smoke grenades and decided to make real ones out of them by substituting gunpowder for the smoke agent.

    Got 'em all fixed up and went cruising, saw some people they didn't like, pulled the pin, well you know the rest....

  19. Rebar

    Rebar member

    My understanding is that a fuse was taken from a smoke grenade (which is an instant fuse), and used with a standard grenade. Is that correct?
  20. critter

    critter Well-Known Member

    Rebar, I have a friend who is a Viet Nam vet who said that was common practice. They also, then, added a little C-4 for 'spice' and those 'enhanced' grenades were used to set booby traps. A pulled pin, a little monofilament and an 'enhanced' grenade ruined a lot of VC's day according to him.

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