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Boston Herald Hatchet job and my response.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hillbilly, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. hillbilly

    hillbilly Well-Known Member

    Here is the link and the story.


    A Dorchester man desperate to get out of the gun trade dropped a stash of 1,500 rounds of high-powered ammunition on the highest profile community leader he could think of: the Rev. Eugene Rivers.
    _____Rivers, floored by the amount of firepower, including a 66-round Tommy gun cylinder, arranged to turn over the arsenal to Boston police today.
    _____``This is bad. It got turned in to a preacher,'' Rivers, president of the Ella J. Baker House in Dorchester, said last night. ``This Tommy gun thing is mind-boggling. What else is out there?''
    _____According to the 28-year-old man whose name Rivers did not reveal, tons more ammunition and firearms are circulating on the streets of Boston where Rivers contends the illegal gun trade has become a growth industry.
    _____``He said he wanted help. He wanted to get out, that he was jammed up,'' Rivers said.
    _____So Rivers offered to hear him out. Forty-five minutes later, he came into possession of more weaponry than the minister ever wanted to see.
    _____``The fact that young men are willing to surrender this kind of ammunition is clear evidence that significant numbers of young people want to do the right thing and live law-abiding lives,'' Rivers said. ``The surrender of this ammunition is a clear cry for help.
    _____``Kids need to see there are better ways to entrepreneurship than guns.''
    _____The bullet cache surfaces as Boston police have recruited help from federal and state agencies to help rein in a wave of violence that has pushed the city's body count to 45 so far this year. Boston had 28 murders by this time last year and 40 for all of 2003.
    _____``We have challenged the black community to step up. Mayor Menino and Commissioner O'Toole have stepped up,'' Rivers said. ``Now it is time for the business leadership and the larger philanthropic community to join this battle to save poor children's lives.''
    _____But local Nation of Islam leader Minister Don Muhammad disagreed with the notion that guns may be supplanting drugs as the underworld trade du jour.
    _____``Drugs and guns are like peanut butter and jelly,'' he said. ``Without drugs, you don't need the guns. It's the drug business that is fueling the violence and the need for guns in the community. When you have a loss of jobs and poor-paying jobs, you're going to have a rise in drugs.''

    And here is the question I sent to the paper using their feedback emailer.

    I categorized this one under "other" and not "criticism."

    I just read the story about the 28 year old man who gave 1500 rounds of rifle ammunition to a local preacher.

    I must say I am very confused by this story.

    I can't see what the 28 year old did that was wrong or illegal in this case, or even newsworthy.

    First, unless the 28 year old is some sort of a convicted felon, owning rifle ammunition is perfectly legal inside the United States.

    I cannot tell from the story if the man in question is a convicted felon of some sort and thus prohibited from owning ammunition.

    Second, the story emphasizes the amount of ammunition....1500 rounds.

    Having 1500 rounds of rifle ammo is hardly newsworthy.

    For example, in most states you can purchase .22 caliber rifle ammunition in boxes of 500 rounds for about $7. Fifteen hundred rounds of that ammo would cost less than $25.

    Serious competitive shooters may use up almost 1500 rounds of ammo a day while training for a competition.

    Even casual plinkers could easily burn up 1500 rounds of ammo in only two or three trips to a range.

    Many people often have at least 1000 rounds of ammunition for each different firearm they own.

    So other than the fact that the young man actually had rifle ammo in his possession, what exactly was the news value of this story?

    Again, I'm confused about this story, and would really like some help in clearing this up.

  2. Ukraine Train

    Ukraine Train Well-Known Member


    Looks like it's just a bunch of pistol ammo, hardly "high-power."

    That's one heck of a revolver!
  3. hillbilly

    hillbilly Well-Known Member

    Looks like a typical AK drum mag partially full of Wolf.

  4. Sodbuster

    Sodbuster Well-Known Member

    I do.
  5. BeLikeTrey

    BeLikeTrey Guest

    Please inform them

    The turn-in location from now on will be located at my home. Thanks.
  6. bogie

    bogie Well-Known Member

    Last night I found two ammo cans I'd missplaced. One was full of 7.62x39, and the other had a few thousand loose .22LRs...

    Maybe I should call the minister and see if he wants to go plinking...
  7. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I call 1500 rounds a "trip to Wal-Mart," not an arsenal.

    But I'm an evil gun-owner; what do I know?
  8. OEF_VET

    OEF_VET Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the minister would be interested in selling that ammo and the AK drum? I'd give him a fair price for it. I'm sure my money could do a lot to help him in his struggle to make Dorchester a safer place to live.
  9. Gump

    Gump Well-Known Member

    I was on the T last night heading hoam and I saw the Herald Forn page and thought "I bet it's a couple of WWBs of 9mm. they were selling at Sports Authority recently for 4.99/

    So we are talking about 1 range trip for 2-3 guy's and less that $80 in ammo.

    And For the most part, I was right.....:rolleyes:
  10. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Well-Known Member

    That man (the preacher) is either a criminal or a hypocrite.

    Why do I say this? Because in MA, the law is such that one MUST HAVE an FID to possess any ammunition, not to mention that one must have a class A LTC to have a "high capacity" feeding device, i.e. that drum in the picture. So this man either doesn't have the permits and is a criminal (no one is above the law, not even a man of God) and has to be charged, or is a has the permits and is a hypocrite for saying that no-one needs guns.

    Which is it?
  11. Old Dog

    Old Dog Well-Known Member

    Hillbilly, great response to the article ...

    ... but it's probably not gonna make anyone at the newspaper think any more about one of their stories (that a person with any common sense should recognize as a non-story) ... Now, if your response was printed in the letters section, perhaps it might make one or two readers engage some brain cells. But, sadly, to the average non-gunperson, 1500 rounds of ammunition seems like it belongs in a military armory ...
  12. WhiteKnight

    WhiteKnight Well-Known Member

    Now do you mean 100-round WWBs like they sell here for $11, or something else? :scrutiny:
  13. Gump

    Gump Well-Known Member

    I mean 100 round WWB 9mm for 4.99, I bought all but 1 of the boxes they had. I am not greedy:D (actually I am but I would have been a little short for the las box. Like 50¢ short:fire: )
  14. Sawdust

    Sawdust Well-Known Member

    I would assume the 50 count WWB's.


  15. Gump

    Gump Well-Known Member

    nope 100 rounder. and they are usually around $11 here as well
  16. Sawdust

    Sawdust Well-Known Member


    I stand corrected.

  17. Gump

    Gump Well-Known Member

    The cashier got a kick out of it. :D
  18. Deavis

    Deavis Well-Known Member

    haha, come on. High powered ammo arsenal? When I was 8 I thought 1000 rounds of ammor was an arsenal. Of course, then I was a little kid who didn't understand how insignificant a few thousand rounds of ammo was for people who reload.

    Man, I've got than many in 9mm sitting out in the garage right now! That's not counting the 40lbs of powder and oh... 75,000 primers waiting to be put into a proper home! :)

    You know what, I'm going to go load a few extra for the minister tonight! Send him a picture of a real arsenal.
  19. sendec

    sendec member

    What's the Problem?

    If this is less ammo that's going to be sprayed around the 'hood, rock on. Charging the guy for possession should'nt fly as he is'nt really demonstrating criminal intent, and I would bet it's going to the police anyway.

    Why do we have to put a negative spin on everything? The area in question is'nt known as a hotbed of sporting clays , high power matches, SASS or deer hunting. 50-50 odds that that ammo was going to some gangsta to do bad things with. And now its not.
  20. hillbilly

    hillbilly Well-Known Member

    Sendec wrote
    If this is less ammo that's going to be sprayed around the 'hood, rock on. Charging the guy for possession should'nt fly as he is'nt really demonstrating criminal intent, and I would bet it's going to the police anyway.

    Why do we have to put a negative spin on everything? The area in question is'nt known as a hotbed of sporting clays , high power matches, SASS or deer hunting. 50-50 odds that that ammo was going to some gangsta to do bad things with. And now its not.

    Sendec, I don't think you get it at all.

    Every single repressive gun control law that's ever been passed has always used the exact same line of "thinking" expressed in your statements above.

    Every single one.....From the NFA to the GCA of 1968 to bans on handguns in major cities to the Assault Weapons Ban to the ridiculous magazine bans passed by individual states, every single horrible, stupid, evil control law ever passed has been jammed down our throats using exactly the reasons you just stated....

    If it stops bullets from being sprayed around the hood, rock on...........

    Not only has every single horrible gun control law been jammed down our throats by using the argument that it's intended to stop slaughter in the hood, the second part of your statement reflects much that is very wrong in the "shooting community" today.

    The idea of "I don't care about X because it doesn't affect my sporting clays or my deer hunting" is exactly the type of mindset that allows evil politicians to pass horrible gun control laws.

    That's about as short-sighted as it gets. That's exactly the mindset the antis want us to have, so they can pick us off, group by group, until there is nothing left but two-shot trap shotguns, and then those only with safe storage, regulated permits and tightly controlled access to trap loads.

    Not only that, your statement also smacks of elitism, at the very least.


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