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Bottom Gun: Presidential Draft Dodger George W. Bush

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Hkmp5sd, Oct 4, 2003.

  1. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    A National Guard pilot is a coward yet a draft dodging, can't figure out how to inhale dope, war protester is not? Amazing.
  2. 4570Rick

    4570Rick Well-Known Member

    You can tell a liberal.....but you can't tell them much.:rolleyes:
  3. Navy joe

    Navy joe Well-Known Member

    So by that "logic" the vast majority of the U.S. Military of the time serving in Korea, Europe, and stateside were draftdodgers too. Sneaky little devils, they avoided the draft by volunteering first or showing up when called and "pulling strings" to stay stateside.

    What'd W. fly? IIRC correctly it was either F-105 or F-106. Either way, not something your life insurance agent is thrilled to hear about.
  4. BryanP

    BryanP Well-Known Member

    He flew the F-102 Delta Dagger. That's another point that some detractors have made as being a sign of Daddy keeping his little boy safe. By being assigned a thoroughly obsolescent aircraft it was guaranteed that he would never be deployed out of CONUS.
  5. longeyes

    longeyes member

    The F-102 was a perfect fratboy hot rod. Go straight, go fast, kill
    propeller-driven Russki bombers before they cross our borders.

    I think if we are going to use courage under fire as our criterion
    for political leaders in this day and age we are going to all be
    sorely disappointed.
  6. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    At least he served. Me, a lifetime of humble civil service.
  7. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Same old sore losers. Same old snivelling and whining.

    Ho, hum.
  8. Mark Tyson

    Mark Tyson Well-Known Member

    Come on, everyone knows why you joined the national guard in the 1960's. They weren't doing this "total force" thing they're doing today, where the guard does as much work as the active component. Be honest. I will admit that Dubya did turn his life around eventually, but in the 60's he was nothing but a partying brat.
  9. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Well-Known Member

    Being in the NG did not mean you were safe from being sent to Vietnam. On May 13, 1968, 12,234 Army National Guardsmen in 20 units from 17 states were mobilized for service during the Vietnam War. Eight units deployed to Vietnam and over 7,000 Army Guardsmen served in the war zone.

    And believe it or not, there were thousands of military people that served during the Vietnam War that never went anywhere near a combat zone. That includes some that were drafted. Anyone with the right connections could get a nice safe assignment on active duty. Does the former corespondent Al Gore ring a bell?
  10. RKCheung

    RKCheung Well-Known Member

    One thing I'll have to give to Al Gore was that at least he was there, albeit very safe and for a very short time. But he did make it in country, which is more than Dubya did.
  11. C.R.Sam

    C.R.Sam Moderator Emeritus

    Whether by choice or by luck or by orders...
    A lot more non-combatants than combatants.

    That's the way it works.

  12. Dilettante

    Dilettante Well-Known Member

    I looked into this a couple of months ago.
    When Bush started learning the F-102, they were still being flown in Vietnam.
    Now he might have asked to learn an old plane, just in the hopes that it would be deprecated by the time he learned to fly it...but that wouldn't be the first choice of a true "draft dodger".
  13. dinosaur

    dinosaur Well-Known Member

    I don`t get it. When it was said that Presidential Candidate William Jefferson Clinton was a draft dodger, the libs said "Kewl". Bush the Elder was a war hero. The libs said "So What"? What`s changed?:confused: :barf:

    I`d say most THRer`s aren`t veterans. Do we equate them with Clinton? The libs made so many things a non issue and now it`s important again. See the "revelations" that have cropped up against Ahnold in Kali recently.
  14. Kharn

    Kharn Well-Known Member

    Its my opinion that someone that strapped on a supersonic interceptor with the mission of shooting down Soviet bombers did a lot more for his country than a news photographer wearing camo and protected by several armed escorts. Even if he only did it one weekend a month.

    IMHO, it doesnt matter where you served, it only matters how you served.

  15. mcshot

    mcshot Active Member

    I remember well as an enlistee in 68 that you were sent where they needed you via the war "pipeline" and not where you wanted to go doing the things you wanted to do. I thought I'd make a good warrior and was fit to do so but they "needed" me elsewhere. Damned if I could get over that but I did my best and did my time where they sent me. I think that applies to most.
  16. F4GIB

    F4GIB Well-Known Member

    The military sends you where it wants to. It was possible to volunteer for service in RVN and be denied. I know of people who were denied because they were "essential" where they were or because they had "knowledge" the government didn't want to risk exposing.
  17. longeyes

    longeyes member

    Here's how I see it:

    Most of us "on the right" want and need a hero we can believe in
    to stop The Tide. Bush, right now, is the best we have. But take
    a close look at this man's life and you are hard-pressed to avoid
    the conclusion that not only is he not heroic but that he has been
    riding on some pretty big shoulders all along. Somebody Up There likes
    him. A whole lot. And I don't mean The Deity.

    I'm a realist. I will vote for the man who best serves my self-interest.
    Right now that is Bush (& Company). Do I wish we had a man running
    with a more authentic personal history and a firmer grasp of and commitment to
    my values? Yes. This is something the Republican Party is going to
    have to deal with, and they may have to do a lot of soul-searching
    after the '04 Election if GWB isn't re-elected. We can do better. That
    we haven't bears deep scrutiny.
  18. Andrew Rothman

    Andrew Rothman Well-Known Member

    Um, if I recall, didn't GW join the TX Air National Guard, then go AWOL for over a year?
  19. 444

    444 Well-Known Member

    It sounds good to talk about one weekend a month, weekend warrior and all that but how long do you think he spent on active duty learning to fly jet fighter aircraft ?
    I don't know buy I would think that today it would take at least two years of active duty if it could be done at all. I somehow doubt that you could even enlist to fly fighter planes as a reservist.
  20. jrhead75

    jrhead75 Well-Known Member

    What on earth does "being there" have to do with anything? Gore in 'nam was a whole lot safer than someone flying a supersonic antique here in the states.

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