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Bought my first kentucky rifle!! Minor problems

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Ironhorse522, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    I got my sweet kentucky rifle from the grandad of a friend of mine. A couple months ago I offered to buy it. But he wanted 600 I said no because I thought that was high. He calls me up last Saturday saying he really needed money for bill and wanted know if I still wanted the rifle. I told him I have three hundred cash dollars in my pocket if that was enough for him to part with the rifle. Make a long story short I came home with her. I've never seen another like it. Will post pics later. Next day went and got powder and balls couldn't find flints though. But it had one in it. Loaded it up with 60 grains of 2f blackpowder substitute to start out with( as per the suggestion of the bass pro guy). Added a patch and ball and went outside to shoot it. Primed the pan with 3f black sub and pulled back the hammer. Flashed up but no go. I called my buddy and he said we needed to sharpen the flint. He took it out of the vice and dropped the flint on the ground(concrete) it broke in two peices!! I was furious!! Not only could I not shoot my rifle but I would have to keep it loaded for a week. I ordered new flint from Dixie gun works. But my question is will it hurt the rifle to leave it loaded for a week?
  2. runs.for.beer

    runs.for.beer Member

    Harm? No. Difficulty to get it to go bang? Likely.

    Congratulations on the acquisition! We all look forward to seeing the pictures.

    Assuming safe handling is followed, I don't think there is any harm in keeping it loaded with the main charge, but without a priming charge.

    I have not had much luck priming a flintlock with substitute powders. I can appreciate that the real holy black can be hard to come by, but I think it is the best stuff to feed your sparker. ffff in the pan is the only way I have had avoided fail-to-fire.

    When running low on the real stuff, I have had good luck with a hybrid load of a few grains of ffff down the barrel followed by the main charge of substitute powder.
  3. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

  4. Acorn Mush

    Acorn Mush Well-Known Member

    Congrants x2 on your purchase but wrong info from the Bass Pro guy! Real black or, as a second choice, a duplex load with real black UNDER the sub is the only reliable way to go.

    By the way, be sure to remove all of the fouling produced by you attempt to fire with the sub, especially if you were using Pyrodex. The fouling from Pyrodex is very corrosive and will damage your rifle in pretty short order. Want to know how I know?:cuss:
  5. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

  6. Doak

    Doak Well-Known Member

    If you wanna shoot off the load, touch off the open pan w/a long stick match. Have someone help ya if need be.

    Rule No.1 for flinter's: Black Powder Only!

    Coonie's has been my source for GoexBP for many years. Just type in "Coonie's". 25 x 1lb. cans in a case. Can mix f's in the case.
  7. Patocazador

    Patocazador Well-Known Member

    Make sure you re-seat the ball on the powder charge before firing. Sometimes a dud moves the ball down the barrel a bit causing a potentially dangerous situation. I'd hate to see that beautiful rifle with a split or bulged barrel.

    More info on the gun please.
  8. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    Is there anyway to identify who made it? He said it was a kit gun but there still should be some kind of indentifying marks
  9. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    All I know is it is a 50 cal kentucky flintlock rifle
  10. Steel Horse Rider

    Steel Horse Rider Well-Known Member

    If it is a modern kit gun the manufacturers information should be on the breech end of the barrel on either side of the top flat. It could possibly be marked on the underside but mine are all marked on either side of the rear sight.
  11. Doak

    Doak Well-Known Member

    From what I can see of the lock, I'd I.D. it as a Siler lock. Looks like a high quality kit. My guess would be a Jim Chamber's Kit. He's on the Net.
  12. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    Dang!! So I didn't do to bad. Is there anyway to identify it as a Jim chambers rifle?
  13. Doak

    Doak Well-Known Member

    Also, ya don't need to remove the flint from the jaws to sharpen it. The only time ya loosen the jaws, is to replace an old, worn out flint, w/a new one. Or, in some cases, to move a worn, but still serviceable flint, forward, closer to the frizzen, on 1/2 cock.

    I'll post pics, soon, of the coolest, easiest to make, easiest to use, flint sharpening (knapping) tool ever devised.
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2013
  14. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    Any other way to identify my rifle
  15. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

    kwhi43@kc.rr.com Well-Known Member

    A good Flintlock will really spark

  16. Ironhorse522

    Ironhorse522 Well-Known Member

    See that's why I thought I needed a new flint. Mine threw like three sparks. Plus I think my vent hole was clogged. Stuff comes in friday
  17. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

    kwhi43@kc.rr.com Well-Known Member

    This might help you on how to sharpen a Flint while still in the hammer.

  18. gunner69

    gunner69 Well-Known Member

    You got a hell of a deal there. Like the man said get real black powder. Use 4F for the pan. If you have an air compressor at the house, and have one of those Harbor Freight kits, you may be able to air blast the ball out. Then clean hell out of it and don't forget to dry patch before you shoot it to get the moisture out of the barrel. If you get tired of it I am sure someone on the forum will be happy to take it off your hands.
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2013
  19. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Will it hurt to leave the rifle loaded for a week? If the bore was clean before loading, no. If the bore had been shot and is dirty, yes.
  20. the Black Spot

    the Black Spot Well-Known Member

    Left mine loaded for over a year, fired off first try.

    My firelock is a .50 as well. I load 60 gr of 3f BLACK powder, no sub and i prime the pan with 3f as well. No need for 4f

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