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Browning Hi-Power ? Values vary?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jstein650, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    I should have indicated that or used a qualifier like "in general". However, the fact remains that FN started the MK III production in 1988, and pretty much anything after 1988 is going to be a MK III. Certainly, after 1989 all BHP's are MK III's.
  2. sub-moa

    sub-moa Well-Known Member

    WADR, I'd be warm and fuzzy with leaving it at: "I should have...used a qualifier like "in general"." ;):D. Concurrent regular production of both versions hardly qualifies as "pretty much anything" to say nothing of contract pistols manufactured with specific features outside that which was in regular production at the time...and again, I would suggest: "the words "all" and "never" are best avoided when referring to the BHP pistol"...

    Attempts to pidgeonhole BHP pistol variants...outside the nomenclature used by FN…or Browning ;):scrutiny: can be, uhmmm...counterproductive ;):D
  3. WVsig

    WVsig Well-Known Member

    IMHO people over pay for BHPs. I always see people stating that they are $600+ used guns but I personally have never paid more than $550. If you are patient know what you are looking for and have cash when the right guns show up you can get BHPs in the $500 range.

    Prices will vary from one region to another but not by as much as they used to. With the internet and a good transfer dealer regional price variances can be eliminated.

    The contract guns is where date and version really get confusing. Guns like the Israeli MKII 1/2s for example. They show signs of MKII guns and MKIII guns as they shipped from the factory.

    Most of the time you can tell a MKIII gun by the cast frame which will have lines on the mag well area. There are some MKIIIs with forge frames but not many and there are IIRC no MKIIs with cast frames. In this pic both guns IIRC are MKIIIs.

    Last edited: Mar 2, 2013
  4. sub-moa

    sub-moa Well-Known Member

    @ the risk of appearing the resident know-it-all of the thread :eek:, allow me to suggest: FN actually produced many MkIII pistols from late '88 into '94 with forged frames...like the frame pictured on the left of your photo (Note the thin left/right front edges of the magwell...as compared to the same, thicker, areas of the cast frame pictured on the right).

    FNs initial cast frame MkIIIs were without the familiar frame striations as seen on the frame pictured on the right of your photo. Early cast frames can definitively be identified by a casting icon on the upper inside right of the magazine well that looks like this:


    We are BTW in agreement regarding contract pistols...particularly the Israeli surplus BHPs identified by some as the MkII 1/2...

    AND...if you are getting excellent condition BHPs for $500, I need to move back up to Virginia ;):D
  5. jstein650

    jstein650 Well-Known Member

    Holy Cow! In the last 2 weeks, I've learned more about what I DIDN'T know about what I didn't know, about the BHP! All good information! Excellent.:)
  6. 45Fan

    45Fan Well-Known Member

    All I know is I paid $600 for mine, and it was near perfect when I brought it home. It has since picked up a bit of carry wear, but those of you that own a high power can probably understand this. I love my 1911s, and would never think of getting rid of them, but the High-Power is quickly becoming one of my favorite EDC pistols.
  7. WVsig

    WVsig Well-Known Member

    Again I think you are choosing to disagree based on a subjective reading of someones broad statement. Context is everything. If you look at the total production of BHPs the number of MKIIIs with forged frames is very small. Even if you consider only production between 88 to 94 the percentage of forged MKIIIs is small compared to the total amount produced. IIRC most were left over parts many which were used to fulfill contract gun orders. The vagueness of terms like "many" isn't really worth debating without context.

    As for the lack of serrations yes there are "some" cast BHPs, one of those vague words again, that lack the serrations but again in terms of the number which include them they are gew an far between. The info you posted on the cast mark is good info for those who think they might be in possession of what of these guns.
  8. Pilot

    Pilot Well-Known Member

    ^^^^^ Articulate response, stated better than I could. Needless to say I agree.
  9. WVsig

    WVsig Well-Known Member

    At least we all agree the BHP is worth talking about!!!!!! :D
  10. HorseSoldier

    HorseSoldier Well-Known Member


    A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age . . .
  11. sub-moa

    sub-moa Well-Known Member

    Gently, politely and respectfully offering specific correct information in response to broad, vague or just plain incorrect information has nothing to do with “subjective reading”.

    Some threads seek debate; ”Is plastic really better than steel?”…and then develop that debate. Others seek information, specific information; ”are the "MkIII" models marked as such?”…and then frequently develop such that additional information naturally flows. Personally, I don’t have an interest in the debate threads…or those informational threads that some wish to turn into debates, when their position is questioned. When this occurs, the parsing of words, redirecting of the discussion and subtle altering of positions is boring and transparent. I come here to obtain information from those more familiar with a subject than I OR provide information to others when I’m fortunate to be an individual who happens to be more familiar with a subject.

    Why bother to get the information right? Well, individuals post here seeking information regarding pistols they are considering buying, have just bought or otherwise acquired and/or, as in this case, have a real interest in. Often they then make decisions that involve spending hard earned money. I think most would agree, those individuals deserve specific information rather than broad, vague information, or…as too often occurs, ill-informed speculation. Specific correct information just might better serve the forum as a whole.

    To the point:
    “If you look at the total production of BHPs the number of MKIIIs with forged frames is very small. Even if you consider only production between 88 to 94 the percentage of forged MKIIIs is small compared to the total amount produced. IIRC most were left over parts many which were used to fulfill contract gun orders. ”

    Okay then, let’s “consider only production between 88 to 94” as suggested, in looking at “the percentage of forged MKIIIs” and see if it really is “small compared to the total amount produced” as claimed.

    MkIII production began in ’88 with forged frame pistols…because FN only built forged frame BHP pistols then. FN began development of the cast frame BHP as a result of the search for a tougher pistol…it is widely accepted, to accommodate the .40S&W…a cartridge which wasn’t even introduced until ’93. And, although FN began production of the cast frame .40 in late ’93, due to “issues”, series production didn’t begin until ’94. FN made the financial decision to build both the .40 and 9mmP BHPs on the cast frame…and phase-out the forged frame. Consequently, it’s quite obvious, the vast majority of MKIIIs produced between ’88 and ’94 were, in fact, built on the forged frame…the complete opposite of the claim posted above.
  12. CNobbe

    CNobbe Well-Known Member

    I paid $600 for a like new BHP from 1988 w/ two mags and box. Not a bad deal at all, but I think people are generally paying more for them..

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