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Buckshot goes where? Deer

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by bigalexe, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    My whitetail chasing adventures have been done with a Crossbow, and I don't know anyone that actually uses shot when it comes to killing deer. They all use Rifles, Slugs, or arrow-like projectiles. Personally I have made lung shots on my deer with the crossbow so it was quick and a short track.

    So now I am curious, using 00 Buck (12 gauge) to try and kill deer. Where do you shoot the thing and how far away is it expected to be effective? How fast does it work compared to a single projectile through the vitals?

    I know birds are head shots, deer the same?

    Reason I am asking, Nov. 15 opens up firearm season here. I already killed one with my crossbow this year and I suck with slugs, I am weighing whether or not to take out the shotgun later this year or to take out the crossbow again (crossbows are also guns here in MI).
  2. Spec ops Grunt

    Spec ops Grunt Well-Known Member

    A lot of states outlaw buckshot for deer. In Oklahoma you must use slugs.

    No idea what Michigan laws are, but it would be wise to check.
  3. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

  4. Zombiphobia

    Zombiphobia Well-Known Member

    00 Buckshot froma 12ga can be effective up to 75 yrds, but is most effective within 25-50 for best effect without worry of wounding or blasting a big hole straight through
    Within 50yards, a 00buck load should do in most deer near instantly, dropping them right there, I mean you still have to let them die. This works with aid from the over-loading shock to the nervous system caused by multiple projectile hits, but those large pellets will also hit vitals within that range as well.

    There's probably a more technical explanation somewhere.
    A broad-side hit is most desired, aiming behind the shoulder as usual, but a neck or head shot will also suffice, assuming a pellet actually hits the brain or severs the vertebrae of the neck.. so a broad-side shot is again, the best choice, I think.
  5. Captcurt

    Captcurt Well-Known Member

    I have taken a couple of deer with 00. You need to pattern it in your gun and see which choke works best. Modified works well in mine , but I limit my shots to under 60 yards. Shoot for the shoulder.

    Better check with a local warden and make sure that buckshot is legal in your state.
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Then you will suck with buckshot too!

    If you can't reliably put a slug through a deer, you can't relibly put a 9-pellet buckshot pattern in the kill zone either.

    Pattern spread doesn't make up for bad shooting.
    Each buckshot pellet that misses just reduces the killing power of the buckshot load by 11%.

  7. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    2 3/4" Buckshot and 2 3/4" Saboted Slugs are night and day when it comes to recoil. That is why I suck with slugs. I unfortunately live in shotgun only country when it comes to firearm deer.
  8. Zombiphobia

    Zombiphobia Well-Known Member

    regardless of how many posts someone has, a single missed pellet out of a 00 load i not going to reduce your effectiveness that much. Those are some pretty large pellets.30-something caliber??, and the only thing you need to be concerned with when it comes to a single missed pellet is where you're aiming and what's behind your target, but that's basic firearms safety and you should already have considered that.
  9. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Now you got me curious?

    If you shoot those Sabot slugs in a rifled shotgun barrel, it isn't going to work with buckshot.

    If you shoot them in a smooth-bore barrel that would work with buckshot, no wonder you can't hit anything with Sabot slugs.

    Or do you have two different barrels, one rifled and one smooth-bore?

  10. Zombiphobia

    Zombiphobia Well-Known Member

    or use rifled slugs, maybe???
  11. 351 WINCHESTER

    351 WINCHESTER Well-Known Member

    When I was a kid a lot of us used buckshot with mixed results. I never cared for it as I lost more deer than I found. Ranges were not over 25 yds. or so. I know of hunters that swear by buckshot, but I gave it up decades ago. I know when I put a rifle bullet thru the vitals of a deer it's a done deal and if not there will be a blood trail.
  12. d2wing

    d2wing Well-Known Member

    60 or 75 yards sound like a real long way to kill a deer with shot. I wouldn't try to shoot a bird that far away. I've seen deer take multiple slug hits and still run a long way. But buckshot isn't legal here so I don't know firsthand. Anyone else here just like to post baseless opinions?
  13. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    Yeah I do, it's what marketers call a field/deer combo.

    I have not tried rifled slugs in the smooth bore yet, maybe that is worth a shot. My barrel options are 24" Rifled, 28" Smooth (accu-choke), and I got a 24" Smooth (accu-choke) because on my weaker days the 28 is a bit long for me to try and swing around.

    So anyway the consensus here seems to be that you shoot broadside, what does that do to the meat?
  14. WalkAbout

    WalkAbout Well-Known Member

    Get a Buck Kicker choke tube. It'll put every pellet in a 3" 00 buck shell in a 15" circle at 40 yards. Just make sure you use copper plated shot when you use it.

  15. pbrktrt

    pbrktrt Well-Known Member

    How about a modern muzzleloader? Legal in the shotgun zone and a lot more effective than a shotgun.
  16. smartshot

    smartshot Well-Known Member

    I use 12 GA 3in OOO buckshot out of a double barrel and within 100 yards, I don't want to be on the business end of the buckshot, because I've knocked deer down at 80 yards, hitting it with 4 or 5 of the large OOO pellets at that distance. Like the other posts said, make sure your gun holds a nice pattern with whichever gun you use. Some states stipulate that you can use buckshot or slugs. In dense brush hunting, most people prefer buckshot over slugs if your shots will be at running deer less than 40 yards.
  17. Vlad357

    Vlad357 Well-Known Member

    Several years ago I took a nice black tail in WA (on the Ft Lewis military reservation) using my old Springfield model 67 H smooth bore pump 12 gage. One round of OO buck aimed at the front shoulder put it down at about 40yards. I have also taken 6 or 8 white tails with slugs, not real difference. Keep the range fairly close and it will work fine.
  18. Gottahaveone

    Gottahaveone Well-Known Member

    If you had been on here for more than 2 weeks, you might know enough to realize that that particular poster is one of the more knowledgeable folks on the forum. With your 90+ post in 2 weeks, it gives the impression that you talk a lot and listen a little.

    RC is right, every pellet that's off deer reduces the effectiveness by lowering the odds that a vital area will be hit. I don''t think he was saying that if you miss with a pellet the bambi will laugh off the other 8, his point was that if you can't consistently place the pattern on target then your problem lies somewhere other than with the effectiveness of buckshot.

    00 is no more effective as a "point it in the general direction and kill it" load on deer than it is in a SD scenario.
  19. Water-Man

    Water-Man Well-Known Member

    Get yourself some Brenneke KO slugs to shoot out of your smoothbore.
  20. bigalexe

    bigalexe Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the Muzzle-Loader comment and it has been considered. Only reason I am not trying muzzle-loader is because the shotgun is already in my possession and the muzzle-loader is not. One of my rules is no more toys until I make use of the toys I have.

    Also the bank has a rule too, no more toys until you have a sufficient balance in your account to pay for it.

    Also to put this small personal quarrel to rest. RC is one person I will definitely listen to on this forum, also Dave in shotguns. You sir, the new guy that is afraid of a zombie outbreak... more can be accomplished in hours of silence than in days of talking.

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