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********** bullet ids

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PinnedAndRecessed, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. http://sacbee.com/state_wire/story/12994280p-13840904c.html

    SACRAMENTO (AP) - Dueling proposals to identify handgun bullets to help police solve shootings were approved by state lawmakers Thursday, despite concerns the requirements are impractical or would harm law-abiding citizens.

    Ammunition manufacturers would be required to laser-cut each bullet with a serial number under the Senate bill, while the Assembly version requires guns to stamp identification numbers on bullet casings each time they are fired.

    "With a simple magnifying glass (police) can read that identifying number ... and determine who purchased that ammunition," said Sen. Joseph Dunn, D-Garden Grove, who is carrying the Senate version. "This is a tremendous benefit for law enforcement."

    The Senate sent the measure to the Assembly on a 21-14 vote, while the Assembly proposal by Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, passed 41-37 despite heavy opposition from gun groups. Both passed by one vote.

    Ammunition manufacturers said that Dunn's bill will either force them to abandon the lucrative California market or force them to install unaffordable technology to mark the 8 billion bullets they make each year.

    The bill would punish anyone possessing unmarked ammunition outside their home after July 2007, though Dunn said he is working with law enforcement to amend the bill so owners could use older bullets at firing ranges.

    "A law abiding citizen has nothing to fear," said Sen. Jack Scott, D-Pasadena, comparing the markings to the use of fingerprints or DNA in crime solving.

    Dunn's bill would require purchasers to pay up to a halfpenny per bullet to fund record-keeping by the state Department of Justice on every handgun-caliber bullet made or sold in California. Vendors would pay up to $50 a year to register. Rifle ammunition would be exempted, though some calibers are used in both handguns and long guns.

    Opponents of Koretz's bill said criminals could file down the guns to remove the microstamping or use revolvers, which don't eject shell casings.

    Assemblyman Todd Spitzer, R-Orange, said Koretz' bill would make it easier to frame someone by spreading cartridges around a crime scene that hadn't come from the shooter's gun.

    "In some criminal prosecutions, the only evidence linking a defendant to that murder is shell casings, nothing more," Spitzer said.

    Koretz said much of the opponents' arguments were "dead wrong," including the claim that someone would be able to file off the microstamping.

    "This will work almost perfectly," Koretz said. "Every casing will have a number that's tied to a database."
  2. Shear_stress

    Shear_stress Well-Known Member

    Fortunately, there will be some delay while the chuckleheads in the Senate and Assembly hammer out a compramise bill. Now is the time to bombard your State Senator or Assemblyperson with protest emails. Or, failing that, send word to the Governor that now would be a perfect time to atone for signing that 50BMG ban.
  3. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    Why does that statement make my skin crawl?
  4. SnWnMe

    SnWnMe Well-Known Member

    I pray that Speer, Corbon et al, will pressure their distribution to help give Kali the safe Utopia we want. Stop ammo sales to ANYONE in Kali.

    Cops can learn rasslin' or sumthin'
  5. shermacman

    shermacman Well-Known Member

    Search raids at midnight, no problem; a law abiding citizen would have nothing to fear.

    Being forced to stop your car for no reason, (repeat after me) a law abiding citizen would have nothing to fear.

    Warrantless search on the street...a law abiding citizen would have nothing to fear.

    Blood test on demand? A law abiding citizen would have nothing to fear.

    Finding the stamp engraved ID on the plastic shell of your 12 gauge shot gun ammo? A law abiding citizen would have nothing to fear.
  6. torpid

    torpid Well-Known Member

    "A law abiding zitizen haz noting to feahh. Now show uz your paperz, pleaze."

  7. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    It's one of many justifications and/or excuses for tyranny.
  8. Lennyjoe

    Lennyjoe Well-Known Member

    Make all the fun you want fellas, but dont be suprised if other states start looking into this nonsense!
  9. Whatsit

    Whatsit Well-Known Member

    Hmm that would be one HUGE database
  10. sumpnz

    sumpnz Well-Known Member

    The anti's have found that they can't get the guns. There is absolutly no political will to do so.

    If you can't take the guns, the only logical (to them) alternative is to take away the ammo. They know full well the proposals are unworkable, unenforceable, and prohibitively expensive. That last part is their real goal. Make the ammo too costly to produce and/or buy and all those guns they couldn't confiscate become nothing more than expensive paperweights.
  11. Phil Ca

    Phil Ca Well-Known Member

    Looks like 2007 will be the year I become a felon by default. :mad:
  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Not today, but there will be.
  13. griz

    griz Well-Known Member

    1/2 cent per bullet for the paperwork? They can't possibly believe that. That's 10 cents for a box of Hydra shocks. A clerk earning $10 an hour would have to do the paper work in about 35 seconds to break even. No way.
  14. Logan5

    Logan5 Well-Known Member

    So that'd be the end of surplus/import ammo in CA, huh? What an incredibly stupid idea. Assemblyman Paul Koretz is evidently a forensic scientist, or perhaps an experienced federal prosecutor? no? Imagine my surprise! How about we pass a law requiring criminals to file detailed before action reports with the local police 72 hours in advance of any crime? Surely, that's a foolproof solution.
  15. dasmi

    dasmi Well-Known Member

    Right, comrade.
    It seems I'll have to be out of California by 2007. At least I have a timeline now.
  16. No_Brakes23

    No_Brakes23 Well-Known Member

    I got enough ammo to defend my home, so I would love to see all ammo stop coming into the state if this were to pass. None for the people and none for the cops.

    Doubt that will happen, though.

    This is the first mention I have seen of grandfather clausing. (No possesion outside the home.)

    I can't afford to move now, but perhaps by 2007, I could.

    On the other hand, if rifle ammo is exempt, maybe the SKS will become the HD weapon for me.
  17. Elmer

    Elmer Well-Known Member

    That's just to fund the state's recordkeeping. The cost's involved from manufacturing, to distribution, to dealer will be astronomical..... Those costs will be added to the price of ammuntion. Can you say dollar a shot ball ammo?

  18. The Grand Inquisitor

    The Grand Inquisitor Well-Known Member

    Does this apply to just ammo made in the state of California or all ammo SOLD in California, because there is a huge difference. Keeping a registry of every bullet fired by members of this message board is entirely unfesiable, much less the entire state of California.
  19. Jwar88

    Jwar88 Active Member

    The time has come to stand up and be counted....

    As these draconian laws are passed by the village idiots in Sacramento, (or any other corrupt legislature), I pray that more manufacturers will have the courage to stand up and be counted like Ronnie Barrett of Barrett firearms, who has refused to sell his products to any CA state agency, in the wake of the .50 cal ban recently enacted.

    "Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California’s passing of AB 50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution’s 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any Government agency of the State of California. "

    Here ...Here...

  20. gcerbone

    gcerbone Well-Known Member

    The antis have realized that they can't get guns banned outright, so instead they are using things like this to have them virtually banned.

    Ammo makers should take Ronnie Barrett's lead, and refuse to sell to Kali. That's really the only way that these jokers will get the message. Reciprocity. Make their laws apply to them, too, and see how fast these things get lifted.

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