Bullet Recomendations

[Super.45]

Just out of curiosity I went thru all 150+ postings of Penn and couldn't find a single badmouthing of a competitor so thers another falsehood but since you say that badmouthing a competitor is being a paid shill I have to ask the question who is paying you ljnowell to be their shill to badmouth Penn?
I find your actions and response here far more suspect than anybody elses.
In the course of going thru those responses I found one in which you actually praised Penns handling of a customer complaint and that was just recently.
So which is it? Penn is either dishonest or honest you can't have it both ways.

 

[ljnowell]

Just out of curiosity I went thru all 150+ postings of Penn and couldn't find a single badmouthing of a competitor so thers another falsehood but since you say that badmouthing a competitor is being a paid shill I have to ask the question who is paying you ljnowell to be their shill to badmouth Penn?
I find your actions and response here far more suspect than anybody elses.
In the course of going thru those responses I found one in which you actually praised Penns handling of a customer complaint and that was just recently.
So which is it? Penn is either dishonest or honest you can't have it both ways.

I did give Penn Bullets praise, once. When Robert finally took care of a customer. Not like other times when he didnt. You can try to make me look bad all you want. The fact is I am a contributing member of this forum, and have been for a few years. I have helped lots of people. You showed up and immediately starting shilling for Penn Bullets. No one needs to pay me, although when you or Bob or his buddy that stalked Missouri Bullet on the facebook page accuses us of that, its quite comical. To say that you viewed his posting is funny, those posts were deleted when the thread in question was deleted. I still have the screenshots and the PMs and if you want to those can be posted here too.

All of the people here know all about your practices, we all witnessed Bob Palermo come here and say the things he did. He created multiple accounts, which were banned by the moderators, so that he could post false comments about his competitors. He made threats to members, that are in fact documented. I still have the PMs in my inbox. The moderators and all the regulars here know all about it. I still have the screenshots from the thread that was deleted, if any of the knew members would like to see them.

Please, anyone, feel free to PM me and I will be glad to send those screenshots or the PMs from Bob Palermo so that they can read all about it.

How is TravisTwo and Leadhead doing, havent seen them in a while? Oh yeah, they got banned with bob, or you, whatever the case may be. How is your buddy Pistol Slinger? He still out there spreading his lies, or did the visit from the cops stop that?

BTW, I thought you were done with this?

Keep it up, we all find this funny. You really think you can come here and pull this stuff again and again and people wont know its you? Destroying whats left of Penn Bullets good name, not that there is that much to begin with really.

 

[Super.45]

PM inbound as I would like to see these "threats" including your responses without editing if you please.
Also please once again point out the times when Mr. Palermo did not take care of a complaint. Surely you must have that as well. I would like to see it. or is that another of your falsehoods?
I was done but you keep wanting a fight so you got one. If your not a shill even though you act like one then who desiginated you to be the head ***** to attack another on this forum who never posted anything negative about you or anyone else for that matter.
I can't address all your comments only the one that I now about from what I have read and thru personal expierance and so far at least half of your statements have been false.
You don't like being called a shill anymore than I do and remember this if nothing else is the fact that you started this BS in the first place.
I don't care how many posts you have as your whole behavior torwards me is unwarrented. Nothing I ever said in my posts gave you liscence to attack me.
I don't know or care about those other names you bandy about just mine period.
So after you send me the PMs just leave me the hell alone.

 

[ljnowell]

PM inbound as I would like to see these "threats" including your responses without editing if you please.
Also please once again point out the times when Mr. Palermo did not take care of a complaint. Surely you must have that as well. I would like to see it. or is that another of your falsehoods?
I was done but you keep wanting a fight so you got one. If your not a shill even though you act like one then who desiginated you to be the head ***** to attack another on this forum who never posted anything negative about you or anyone else for that matter.
I can't address all your comments only the one that I now about from what I have read and thru personal expierance and so far at least half of your statements have been false.
You don't like being called a shill anymore than I do and remember this if nothing else is the fact that you started this BS in the first place.
I don't care how many posts you have as your whole behavior torwards me is unwarrented. Nothing I ever said in my posts gave you liscence to attack me.
I don't know or care about those other names you bandy about just mine period.
So after you send me the PMs just leave me the hell alone.

You took it here, buddy, not me. You came to this thread and got butt hurt when the truth was told about Penn Bullets. I will not communicate with you via pm. You. or bob, or well, its probably you have already threatened to try to have me banned. You want to set me up. You have something to say, you post it here. I have nothing to prove, the proof is right there.

 

[Super.45]

I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.
Now I am truly done with you.

 

[ljnowell]

I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.
Now I am truly done with you.

No problem Bob! I do not consider someone who comes here to shill for a company a contributing member. I will not play into your little game of name calling so that you can post here. The truth is out there and we all know it.

I would never have my feelings hurt over such things, but then again, it isnt my business that I mismanaged until people talked about me all over the internet. I surely didn t make up fake accounts and attempt to forge a new reputation that way. I guess you seem to be awful upset about it.

Enjoy your stay at THR.

To anyone else interested, here is another of Bob Palermos workings, let me introduce TravisTwo. This thread is his very first post on THR, shilling for Penn Bullets.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=153984&highlight=penn+bullets
Notice the similarities in the linking style. Also, take a look at our friend Mr. Super45, he links he exact same way and seems to have the same mannerisms. Look through the posts of both.

Looky here, you attacking Missouri Bullet? Do you live in a glass house? Looks funny to me!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=612470&page=2

 

[Montana Griz]

.....regarding using the .45 Colt for deer......................

Many years ago when living in Colorado (now in Montana) I loaded up several rounds for Mule Deer hunting up a canyon west of Boulder where I lived. In those days there were very few homes after you were 3 miles or more up the canyon and the Mule Deer were VERY plentyful.

Gun: a Colt SAA, 7 1/2" barrel, Serial# 82XXSA (an early 2nd generation--mfg in November 1956).

Load: 10 grains of Unique, CCI Large Pistol Primer, and a Keith Style 240gr HP,, factory sized & lubed..& mfg by "Markell Inc out of SanFrancisco"--(they've been out of business for many years.) (But.....I happen to have a box of them on my desk as I type.)

I have a picture of one muley I took with this load at about 25 yards..............the results were shocking. I was above the deer and behind it-----it was walking away from me.

I held on a spot right between his shoulders----touched 'er off and he simply fell over.

The bullet entered right between the shoulder blades....took out the spine...and exited just about dead-center of the "brisket........The exit wound (hole) was the size of a medium Orange....and the snow for about a 12 foot circle was "sprinkled" with blood, bits of flesh & bone"..........looked like a bomb went off".

Obviously a very deadly combination with a muzzle velocity of approx 1033 fps. (and this was out of a Colt SAA (not as stout as your gun). IMHO, I would not load a H.P. lead bullet for deer at close range(just too destructive).........the same Keith Style bullet but not a H.P. would be a good choice for a deer from 35 out to about 85 yards. Just my opinion.

 

[ljnowell]

.....regarding using the .45 Colt for deer......................

Many years ago when living in Colorado (now in Montana) I loaded up several rounds for Mule Deer hunting up a canyon west of Boulder where I lived. In those days there were very few homes after you were 3 miles or more up the canyon and the Mule Deer were VERY plentyful.

Gun: a Colt SAA, 7 1/2" barrel, Serial# 82XXSA (an early 2nd generation--mfg in November 1956).

Load: 10 grains of Unique, CCI Large Pistol Primer, and a Keith Style 240gr HP,, factory sized & lubed..& mfg by "Markell Inc out of SanFrancisco"--(they've been out of business for many years.) (But.....I happen to have a box of them on my desk as I type.)

I have a picture of one muley I took with this load at about 25 yards..............the results were shocking. I was above the deer and behind it-----it was walking away from me.

I held on a spot right between his shoulders----touched 'er off and he simply fell over.

The bullet entered right between the shoulder blades....took out the spine...and exited just about dead-center of the "brisket........The exit wound (hole) was the size of a medium Orange....and the snow for about a 12 foot circle was "sprinkled" with blood, bits of flesh & bone"..........looked like a bomb went off".

Obviously a very deadly combination with a muzzle velocity of approx 1033 fps. (and this was out of a Colt SAA (not as stout as your gun). IMHO, I would not load a H.P. lead bullet for deer at close range(just too destructive).........the same Keith Style bullet but not a H.P. would be a good choice for a deer from 35 out to about 85 yards. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the input! Real world use is most important. I have decided to stick with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC over a stout charge of 2400. I think it will knock bambi's socks off.

 

[TommyD45]

I have had good luck with Montana Bullet Works. They use the authentic LBT molds. The WFN profile is supposed to be VERY effective on game. I find the heavier (300+ grains) are more accurate in my revolvers than the lighter 250-260 grainers. Order gas check bullets for the higher pressure loads.

http://montanabulletworks.com/45_Colt.html

Tom

 

[ljnowell]

I have had good luck with Montana Bullet Works. They use the authentic LBT molds. The WFN profile is supposed to be VERY effective on game. I find the heavier (300+ grains) are more accurate in my revolvers than the lighter 250-260 grainers. Order gas check bullets for the higher pressure loads.

http://montanabulletworks.com/45_Colt.html

Tom

Those are some mean looking bullets! I would imagine they would be more than effective.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I have decided to stick with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC over a stout charge of 2400. I think it will knock bambi's socks off.

I think you're right my friend.
Hopefully we'll both be successful and can compare notes before the season is over.
Happy hunting.

 

[ljnowell]

I think you're right my friend.
Hopefully we'll both be successful and can compare notes before the season is over.
Happy hunting.

I hope so! 2400 has never let me down, its made my most accurate loads in 357 and 45 colt. I couldnt recomend it quick enough to you when you first started loading for your blackhawk.

 

[suzukisam]

I load mo bullets and hornady xtps with 2400, if you load them stout you'll be fine.. 2400 likes to burn hot... My 7.5" BH in colt 45 is scary accurate for a handgun... it shoots really scary with the 250 grain MO pinbusters I think is the one I use for target

 

[ljnowell]

I load mo bullets and hornady xtps with 2400, if you load them stout you'll be fine.. 2400 likes to burn hot... My 7.5" BH in colt 45 is scary accurate for a handgun... it shoots really scary with the 250 grain MO pinbusters I think is the one I use for target

I have a 7.5" model BH also. I can tell you that gun is scary accurate with the Missouri Bullet 255gr SWC and the 300gr LTC.

I really even though about using the 300gr bullets I have. I figured the profile of the 255 would be worth more than the 45gr of the 300.

Any thoughts on that anyone?

 

[LiveLife]

I'm not butt hurt but you sure are acting that way now.
You can dish it out but you can't take it.
So according to your PM I'm not a member and you won't show me the PMs. I knew you would renigg.
Hiding, the last defense of the cowardly.

Oh my. Super.45, with all due respect, whether you are who ljnowell claim to be, there is a more fundamental issue that should be taken into consideration.

THR is a public forum among many other internet forums run by Admins/Moderators who impose rules specific to each forum category. To be honest, I have been to forums where anarchy admins/moderators ruled whether they were right or wrong. If you disagreed, you got kicked and/or banned, sometimes for life. It's their forum and they can allow/ban whoever/whatever they want. They are not bound to act as police/judges to take sides as to who is right. That simply doesn't exist on internet forums ... just forum rules.

Many have disagreed, but for me, THR Admins/Mods for the most part do a good job of keeping the discussions civil/cordial and on track pertinent to the discussion category. If a thread drifts too much or violates the forum rules, they will caution or lock the thread. Simple.

What I suggested to the vendor in question last year was this. Product review and user experience posting on public forums are like bread and butter. Due to ease of internet postings, consumers who had bad experience with a vendor will often want the world to know what happened to them. Equally, I see most people post positive experiences with vendors, even with problems, as to how the problems were resolved. The speed and ease of internet forum postings increase transparency of customer/vendor exchanges ... it's simply the natural progression of how business is done in 2011. I now frequently check Amazon customer reviews and make my purchases based on positive/negative reviews. I do not want to have bad experiences as I have better things to do with my life/time.

If a vendor wants to increase exposure and improve review ratings, they simply have to provide the goods and services to their customers' satisfaction. That's it. If the customers are happy, trust me, they will share their experience with others.

There are many threads that discuss "my such and such equipment has this problem" but the poster go on to post how the company resolved the problem in his/her favor. Often the vendor did not need to do anything as the problem was not the fault of the vendor, but often, the vendor goes above and beyond the warranty requirement and resolve the problem for the customer.

When Lee insisted they send me a broken decapper pin for a rifle die that I managed to destroy, I wondered why they would do this. What I realized is that many companies run advertising budget on TV/magazines/internet/etc. Compared to the expensive advertising budget, shipping of a part that costs a few dollars may result in online forum word-of-mouth that is often priceless. I wonder how big the market share Lee Precision has?

Sorry for the thread hi-jack ... back to OP!