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Bush approval dips below 40 percent

Discussion in 'Legal' started by rick_reno, Oct 12, 2005.

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  1. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    "In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress..."

    Amazing. Bush might have to start "doing President" - and not just his act of "being President". He continues to pave the road for Hillary.


    WASHINGTON - It has been weeks since Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast; since gas prices began spiking to record highs; and since Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, held her antiwar vigil outside President Bush’s Texas ranch. But, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, the fortunes of the Bush administration and the Republican Party have not yet begun to recover.

    For the first time in the poll, Bush’s approval rating has sunk below 40 percent, while the percentage believing the country is heading in the right direction has dipped below 30 percent. In addition, a sizable plurality prefers a Democratic-controlled Congress, and just 29 percent think Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is qualified to serve on the nation’s highest court.

    "Any way you slice this data, I think these are just terrible sets of numbers," said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

    The poll shows that Bush’s approval rating stands at 39 percent, a new low for the president. In the last NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, which was released in mid-September, 40 percent approved of Bush’s job performance while 55 percent disapproved. In addition, just 28 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction, another all-time low in Bush’s presidency.

    Strikingly, much has happened in the time between those two polls — many of them seemingly positive events for the White House. The president delivered a prime-time speech from New Orleans, in which he promised to rebuild the Gulf Coast. He also made several more visits to the region, to examine the damage caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Furthermore, he saw the Senate confirm John Roberts to the Supreme Court, and he nominated Miers, his White House counsel, to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

    ‘Huge question mark’ on Miers
    The Miers nomination, however, has disappointed some of the president’s conservative supporters, because they say she lacks judicial experience and a clear conservative record on social issues. According to the poll, 29 percent say she’s qualified to serve on the Supreme Court, while 24 percent think she’s unqualified. Forty-six percent say they don’t know enough about her.

    "There is nothing to suggest that people have turned on her," Hart said. "But there is just a huge question mark behind her at this stage. She has to establish her own bona fides."

    The poll, which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points and which was conducted from Oct. 8-10 of 807 adults, also finds that strong majorities don’t believe that the recent charges against GOP leaders Tom DeLay of Texas and Bill Frist of Tennessee are politically motivated. Sixty-five percent say that DeLay’s indictment on charges of illegally using corporate contributions for political campaigns suggests potential illegal activity, while 24 percent say the indictment is politics as usual and has little merit. (Since his indictment, DeLay stepped down from his leadership position but still plays a prominent role in the U.S. House of Representatives.)

    Meanwhile, 57 percent say Frist’s sale of stock in a company his family runs — just before the value of the stock declined — indicates potential illegal activity, compared with 28 percent who say the charge has little merit.

    48 percent want Democratic-controlled Congress
    In addition, with 13 months until the 2006 congressional elections, 48 percent say they prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, compared with 39 percent who want the Republicans to control Capitol Hill. In fact, that nine-point difference is the largest margin between the parties in the 11 years the NBC/Journal poll has been tracking this question.

    But Hart argues that Democrats aren’t necessarily responsible for this margin. "It is not that Democrats have done so well," he said. "It is that people are disgusted." McInturff puts it this way: "People are very turned off and unhappy with the state of play in American politics."

    People also seem to be turned off and unhappy with high gas prices. According to the survey, 69 percent believe the worst is still to come with energy and fuel prices. Just 25 percent think the worst is behind us.

    Because of this generally sour attitude, the NBC/Journal pollsters doubt that Bush will be able to climb out of his standing anytime soon. "His trampoline [is] made of cement," Hart said.

    And while McInturff thinks that Bush’s approval rating actually may actually hover between 40 and 45 percent, he says that’s still problematic terrain from which to govern. "It is a very difficult place to be."
  2. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    Yep. By the time he leaves office we'll be wondering how the hell he ever got elected in the first place.

    Oh, yeah. Now I remember. The lesser of two evils.............
  3. telewinz

    telewinz Well-Known Member

    I don't have to wait that long, I've regretted my choice since last summer and each new day seems to add to my list of reasons for regret. George has done more damage to the future of conservatism than any democrat. In 90 days George will have the lowest approval rating since they kept track. What a squandered opportunity, what a tragedy. :( Yep, the party of family values with Elmer Fudd at the helm. :rolleyes:
  4. bountyhunter

    bountyhunter member

    This is a genuine source of fear: you saw Bush in the last five years, now imagine Bush with NOTHING to lose....... his approval ratings are so low they can't fall any lower (they are at core base value for GOP members).

    God help us all.
  5. RealGun

    RealGun Well-Known Member

    Nice going, rick_reno. This should make a great Bush bashing thread. :rolleyes:
  6. rick_reno

    rick_reno member

    Hey, I didn't write it. I'd like nothing better than to see Bush come around to what I believe are his conservative core values.
  7. enfield

    enfield Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't it be scary if GWB was actually RUNNING FOR OFFICE? Brrrrrr.
  8. MechAg94

    MechAg94 Well-Known Member

    I certainly wish he hadn't done some of the things he had done, but I don't regret voting for him. All I have to do is hear Al Gore or John Kerry speak and I am reminded the absolutely horrible candidates the Dems put up there. I hear Dems lament how bad President Bush is, but I just laugh that they couldn't find anyone better.

    On a historical note, Presidents often have poor approval ratings mid-term. It ain't the first time and he ain't the first one to have them.
  9. telewinz

    telewinz Well-Known Member

    True but can you accept that Bush may become less popular than Carter? A man is judged by the company he keeps.
  10. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Well-Known Member

    If he really figures out he has nothing to lose he just might pull it out.

  11. MechAg94

    MechAg94 Well-Known Member

    Actually, I think Carter was judged by the state of the economy under his leadership and his lackluster record with the Cold War. I have no idea what company he kept.

    Bush is doing fine on the economy especially by comparrison to Carter. Bush was doing well with the War on Terror. We will have to wait and see how the next few years turn out for Iraq.
  12. Lone_Gunman

    Lone_Gunman Well-Known Member

    Wow. I am glad you think so, but I certainly don't.

    The economy is in the process of going down the toilet. Interest Rates are increasing. The stock market is at a 6 month low. Oil prices are high, and we are about to enter the winter months where demand will be high.

    Now Bush wants to also change the tax breaks involved with home ownership. I think that will make the problem worse, as there will be less incentive to buy a home. I think the real estate market will tank if his changes are made.

    I don't see good times ahead. Cash will be king for the next few years.
  13. Sindawe

    Sindawe Well-Known Member

    The only difference I can see 'tween the current economy and that of the Carter years is that we don't have "stagflation" to worry about. Yet. But rising interest rates and general inflation are still factors present, and while I may be an odd case, I don't see the current economy as "Booming". I've not seen any salary increases in four+ years, a lot of the jobs I'm currently qualified/experinced for are now in India & the rest of the Pacific Rim.
  14. AZRickD

    AZRickD Well-Known Member

    I despise these generic "wrong direction" polls. They never publish who is saying what. Are the respondents asked what is the right direction? Oh, they want lower gas prices? Do they have a solution? Just one example -- how many of them know there hasn't been a refinery built since 1976? Do they know that The Church of Environmentalism has stopped new drilling?

    Is Bush losing more from conservatives, centerists, non-aligned, core GOP?

  15. Gary H

    Gary H Well-Known Member

    I regret having such poor choices for POTUS. Bush is hurting the Republican Party. Without borders, unlimited federal spending, vague "War on Terror and his inability to communicate to the American people (i.e.: promote a minor privatization of Social Security) Bush has moved this country in the wrong direction. I credit him for Tax Cuts, initial 9/11 response and the initial invasion of Iraq... follow-up was a disaster. He was better than Gore and Kerry, but his poor leadership has opened the door for Hillary.

    The media promotes his reduced job approval as if this means that he should move left. I believe that the truth is that he would climb in the polls if he didn't allow terrorist to cross the Syrian and Iranian border by attacking them inside of these countries. He would climb with a reasonable U.S. border policy. His betrayal of the conservatives that put him in power has limited our "just trust him" approach to the black robes.
  16. Headless Thompson Gunner

    Headless Thompson Gunner Well-Known Member


    Right now it's fashionable to be a pessimist. Bush's numbers reflect this. Eventually, people's perceptions will begin to realign themselves with reality that our country isn't actually going to hell in a handbasket.
  17. fallingblock

    fallingblock Well-Known Member

    I agree, HTG....

    "Right now it's fashionable to be a pessimist. Bush's numbers reflect this. Objectively, things are a lot better than most people think. Eventually, people's perceptions will begin to realign themselves with reality that our country is in fine shape. Bush's numbers will go back up."

    I'm pleased to have voted for "Dubya" both elections 'cause he is a far better choice for us than either Gore or Kerry would have been.

    "Dubya's not perfect, but he's still far preferable than either of the other electable options. :D

    I'd like to be a bit more convinced about Harriet Miers, though.
  18. junyo

    junyo Well-Known Member

    After my mother spanked me she wouldn't have won a whole lot of junyo-based opinion polls. Doesn't mean I didn't deserve the spanking or that it wasn't the right thing to do. One of the primary positives about Bush is that unlike the bend with the prevailing breeze, govern by opinion poll goobers that have been put up against him, he takes the long view and doesn't really care what people think. One of the primary problems in this country, IMHO, is that we have an obsession with quick fixes and window dressing over long term strategy and planning, popularity contests over historical prospective. If Bush achieves nothing but MidEastern democracy, and a reliable Supreme Court it'll make him one of the great presidents of the last century. Weekly/daily/hourly approval ratings are meaningless in that context.
  19. telewinz

    telewinz Well-Known Member

  20. Moparmike

    Moparmike Well-Known Member

    I felt sick to my stomach when I filled in the little bubble with Bush's name next to it, and I feel sick now. Why oh why hadn't I voted for Badnarik, like my conscience told me to?

    Oh wait, that whole "lesser of two evils" thing. I got suckered. :banghead:
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