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But honey, we live in a nice neighborhood, we don't need guns.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MaterDei, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. MaterDei

    MaterDei Senior Member

    Sep 23, 2003

    Two dead after family surprises intruder in Sugar Land
    Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle

    SUGAR LAND -- A Sugar Land mother and son were fatally shot and two other family members wounded after they returned to their upscale home Wednesday night and surprised an intruder, police said.

    The victims, whose identities were not released, were shot about 8:20 p.m. in their home in the 1100 block of Heron Way in Sugar Lakes subdivision, an upper-middle class neighborhood with houses valued at $200,000 and higher.

    "The suspect shot all four family members," said police Sgt. Mark Grothaus. "We're still conducting the search (for the suspect) at this time."

    The son died at the home, while his mother, 51, died at Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston.

    The father, 55, was in Memorial Hermann in unknown condition, while another son was taken by ambulance to a Sugar Land-area hospital.

    The burglar was wearing some type of mask, but police had no other description of him.

    Nearby residents said the sons had been home for holiday break from college.

    "This is shocking. They were salt of the earth, lovely people," said Chris Woessner, who has lived near the family for almost two decades. "This is a very peaceful, quiet neighborhood."

    His wife, Chrissy, said of the mother: "She was very sweet, loved her family and loved their boys. This just cuts to my heart."

    She said the nature of the crime in the quiet, bedroom community has left some residents in fear.

    "I just live around the corner -- something like this could happen to me," she said. "I pray for their family."

    A handful of concerned neighbors gathered around the crime scene tape that stretched across the street while police and tracking dogs from the Fort Bend County Sheriff's Department searched for the assailant.

    "The dogs are pretty good and we set up a perimeter fairly quickly," Grothaus said.

    Emma G. Piepenbrok, who lives next to the victims, described the family as "wonderful people" who would often check her mail for her.

    She said the husband was in the construction business and his wife was a teacher. They had lived there for at least 20 years.

    "They have been such good neighbors to me," Piepenbrok said.

    She said she did not hear gunshots but heard a loud "crash" sound followed by a man's hollering. She went to her front door to check the disturbance, but saw nothing. Shortly afterward, she said, police and ambulances arrived.

    Beverly Campbell, who lives four houses from the victims, said she did not hear shots but learned of the incident when ambulances arrived and a Life Flight helicopter landed near her front yard.

    "It's so sad a whole family (was shot)," said Campbell, who doesn't know the victims. "It just occurred to me (that) it could have easily been us -- if it was just random and they didn't know the people who did this.

    "I was just talking to my son on Internet (e-mail), telling him about the shooting. He's in shock because he always felt so safe here. It's always been a very quiet, safe neighborhood. All our neighbors have been here for years."

    Anyone with information is asked to call the Sugar Land Criminal Investigators Division at 281-275-2524 or Fort Bend County Crime Stoppers at 281-342-8477.
  2. El Tejon

    El Tejon Elder

    Dec 24, 2002
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Place sounds familiar. Is that where all the execs from Enron lived?:confused:
  3. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The State of Israel - aka Gun Nut Hell
    The graveyards are full of people who said "it will never happen to me".
  4. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Senior Member

    Dec 28, 2002
    North Carolina
    Wow!!! Upscale for $200,000. That might get you a 3 bedroom, 30 yr old house around here in an okay neighborhood. I forgot how cheap it was to live in Texas. Upscale here starts at $500,000 and not even near the water.

  5. Trisha

    Trisha Participating Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Rocky Mountains
    The 'nice neighborhood' comment is the most unfathomable statement people make. The ramifications of the automobile, much less public transportation just don't soak in, with the bovine grazing complacently.

    A new family (mid-30's), from Chicago, just moved into a house close to us (two months ago now). They have two 2WD imported sedans. The husband 'wants to give his family the wilderness experience, the joy of living in the forest.' We met them while they, unaware that everything herebouts is private land were on our property - and he was smoking amidst thigh-high dead, brittle grass!

    The woman (who was carrying an infant - diabetic, we learned - "The hospital isn't too far away, is it?") looked in wonder at the sweep of forest jsut a quarter-mile away, and than asked what had been making all the noise the previous night. I pointed to fresh mountain lion tracks not a yard away. . .

    She turned white as a ghost. She mentioned 'At least we don't have to worry about crime and drugs up here!"

    Susan went into the house and handed her the Neighborhood Watch sheet that listed two meth labs busted within half a mile, and reports of gang activity coming up here during the day to rob unoccupied homes.

    She asked the woman if she knew how to shoot.

    "We don't believe in guns - that's what the police are for!"

    When told that law enforcement is thin, and no one is on duty between 2am and 6am, the woman trembled.

    Yesterday I saw a 'For Sale' sign on their driveway.

    I hope they go back to Chicago.
  6. MrAcheson

    MrAcheson Participating Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Newark, DE and APG, MD
    Surprising someone in my apartment is my biggest fear. I work in a federal building (no weapons) and park in a secure lot (so no weapons in car either) on an army base (car subject to regular random searches for weapons). I don't really have a problem being unarmed at work what with the fences and armed guards and such, but coming home is a little tense sometimes.
  7. Partisan Ranger

    Partisan Ranger Active Member

    Apr 16, 2003
    I have a pistol in a gun safe upstairs and down but I don't always take one with me and carry in my car. Now I think I better start packing again when I go to work and have a gun at the ready when I walk in the door at night. These stories are a big reason why I have guns.
  8. XLMiguel

    XLMiguel Senior Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Santa Fe, NM
    We live in a 'nice' neighborhood. One of my neighbors asked why I felt I needed a gun, so I told her - There are three registered sex offenders in the next neighborhood over, within the las 18 months there was one warm burglary on the next block, there have been several attempted car-jackings and rapes in the Metro parking lot, a murder in the apartments behing the local grocery, a drive-by shooting at the high school and a couple of home invasions, all within a mile and half radius of where we were standing. APBnews.com put our zipcode at the low end of moderate risk.

    The look on her face was priceless (Ignorance is bliss?), my question to her was "Why don't you have one?":evil: (actually, I offered to teach her the basics and take her shooting, no takers yet -)
  9. armoredman

    armoredman Elder

    Nov 19, 2003
    proud to be in AZ
    I live in a small farming community north of Tucson, and about 100 miles north of the border. It's quiet and peaceful, in a mobile home park full of retirees. I carry 24/7, my wife carries 24/7, and several neighbors carry 24/7. Nothing has happened here beyond an unlocked car having the radio stolen two years ago....yet. But we still have deadbolts, chainlocks, alarm systems, dogs, weapons, reloads, and, *yawn* cell phones.
  10. shermacman

    shermacman Participating Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    If I were a self-respecting bad guy I would give up robbing people in poor neighborhoods. Here is a shocking fact: poor people have no money. Now, rich people have money and things worth stealing. Therefore, I would hop into my stolen car and commute out to nice quiet suburbs where people leave their doors unlocked and have ridiculous left-wing lunatic theories about guns.
  11. BowStreetRunner

    BowStreetRunner Participating Member

    Mar 25, 2003
    North Florida
    there is no neighborhood that is totally safe from crime. In the city there are gangs and in the country there are meth labs. the complacency some people adopt because they live in a "nice" place is both funny and sad
  12. foghornl

    foghornl Mentor

    Dec 27, 2002
    Mrs. Foggy & I live in what we consider a "nice, safe neighborhood", in the far eastern 'Burbs of Cleveland. But that doesn't stop me from keeping my 1911-A1 as a bedside table companion.

    A few years back, there were only a couple of lots left vacant. When the very last house was being built, I was awakened one night by the sound of sirens and flashing red/blue lights. Piecing it together the next day, with the help of guy next door (retired city PD detective), seems that a group of folks were operating a "Midnight Discount Building Supply" shop.

    There were 5 or 6 young guys that were doing contract home remodelling, at hugely cheaper prices than anyone else. They were able to do that by [ahem] "obtaining" their supplies from houses being built. They got busted by someone on the next street over who was sitting out on his deck at 2:00AM, having a cold one, because his A/C had gone out. Guy saw the pickup come into the street, douse the lights, someone jumped out of the back of the pickup, and ran up the driveway, and opened the garage. Pickup drove around the cul-de-sac, then pulled into the new house garage, door went down. When they came out of the garage, the Police were waiting.

    Note to bad guys...When the police have the street blocked with 2 cars, don't try jumping the curb at high speed into someone's yard, particularly if that yard has the fire hydrant. You may get the engine compartment/crankcase power-washed by the now broken hydrant/pipe stub......
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2003
  13. sturmruger

    sturmruger Senior Member

    Jan 4, 2003
    NW, WI

    This sounds allot like the neighborhood that I live in. I will have to send this story to my wife. I am glad I have spent the time to put together a self defense plan for my house. If anyone gets any updates to this story please post them.
  14. aquapong

    aquapong Member

    May 26, 2003
    Phx, AZ
    Yeah whatever. I live in a quiet town with little crime that I know of. Yet one night about two months ago about 5 local leos were giving a older guy (30's-40's) that's lived in the complex a stern talking to about stalking our woman neighbor. Our neighbor is from Los Angeles and said she came here to get out of all the crime.:uhoh:

    But it can't happen here.:rolleyes:
  15. No4Mk1

    No4Mk1 Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Houston, TX
  16. TonyB

    TonyB Senior Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    Schodack NY
    Sharon Tate lived in good neighborhood too...................:uhoh:
  17. ElToro

    ElToro Active Member

    Jan 29, 2003
    Bay Area, PRK
    i live in a nice little town a few miles north east of San Jose CA, i paid 234k for a 900 sq ft condo last year. within a 1 mile radius (probly closer to 1/2 mile) there are mega gated complexes of multi million dollar homes including one that was listed for 15mil last year. its easy to get in there as they leave the gates open from about 4:30 to 6pm becasue all the execs are on their way back in in their 100k mercedes sedans... theres a dozen or so sex offenders (per the town PD website) including one on my street. a house was busted into a few blocks away a few months back . generally low crime area, but.... my wife thinks im paranoid when i insist that no wrapped presents be left under the tree and the the blinds closed during the day when im not there...

    nothing to steal at my house but my TV and my guns (i'm not paying the hospital bill for some BG who gets a hernia trying to boost my safe! ) ... at the rich folks house im sure they got nicer stuff...

    when i was a kid one of the guys in my boy scout troop, his father was shot when the whole family walked in on Thanksgiving nite on a burglary in process... guy lived, but is still peeing in a bottle in his wheelchair. Think Thanksgiving is any fun for them ? AFAIK they never caught the guy.

    there is a fine line between living your life paranoid and being alert prepared !!
  18. Mama06

    Mama06 New Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    We also live in a 'nice, quiet' neighborhood...and we had an attempted break in a while back. I think the sound of a 12ga and an irate 'Mama' letting them know I would shoot was all it took...this time. (Hubby wasn't home...just six kids and me.)

    Time needed to get firearm ready by Homeowner: less than 10 seconds

    Response time by local sheriffs office: greater than 10 minutes

    Time needed for BGs to get in: Didn't wanna chance it... ;)
  19. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Jan 3, 2003
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    Let me re state my Mantra!! For all, but more so for those Bliss Ninny types who think they'd never need a gun...... just cos of where they live.

    ''Expect the unexpected''

    "Don't assume ....... "
  20. spartacus2002

    spartacus2002 Participating Member

    Jan 7, 2003
    Richmond, VA
    The sound of a shotgun slide being racked back and forth is one of Nature's signs that you don't want to mess with the homeowner...

    As an earlier poster noted, the bad guys have figured out that (a) robbing poor folks doesn't pay, and (b) the stereotypical uppermiddleclass or rich folks sniff at the thought of "Guns" because that's what the police are for.

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