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Ca. It figures. Illegals are now able to get Worker's Comp..

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bg, Oct 20, 2005.

  1. bg

    bg Well-Known Member

    I just don't know what my state is coming to. Why give these people
    anything at all ? Now they're entitled to Worker's Comp. No wonder this
    state is so broke and messed up. Vets in the streets, yet illegal invaders
    can get state dough..
  2. 71Commander

    71Commander Well-Known Member


    Why did the employer hire illegals in the first place? Trying to screw the system and got burned. I hope he gets sued and goes broke. I have no sympathy for any one who hires illegals, and no it doesn't make our country stronger by doing so.
  3. thorn726

    thorn726 Well-Known Member


    this is actually a step in the right direction.
    first off major LOSER bosses hire illegals for extremely dangerous work-
    whoops yer dead, sorry.

    creates and easy way around all kinds of safety regulations.
    for example the ditch diggers who keep getting buried in open trenches.

    exactly, and it makes it slightly more appealing to hire skilled Americans

    illegal sues, gets compensation, goes home.
    jerk goes broke and AMerican competetion takes his place.
  4. c_yeager

    c_yeager Well-Known Member

    Idealy what *should* happen is that the employer is required to pay full compensation OUT OF POCKET. This would provide a good incentive to hire actual legal employees, provide a punishment for hiring illegals, and ensure that people injured by American employers are justly compensated for injury.
  5. Janitor

    Janitor Senior Member

    This is (partly) a good thing. I agree that the illegals should get workmans comp if they get hurt on the job. Yea - they're up here illegally. But they wouldn't be if small (and large) businesses that are trying to cheat the system didn't hire them.

    But c_yeager has the right of it. About ZERO of this should come from the tax coffers. While the courts may not want to take immigration status into account in deciding whether or not somebody should get compensation in the first place, they absolutely need to take it into account when they decide where that compensation should come from. The businesses should pay roughly 100% of the bill for this.

    And that workman's comp bill should be payed out on top of the fines that should be set against them for hiring illegals in the first place.

  6. NCP24

    NCP24 Well-Known Member

    Oh yea, sticking it to the man. Just wait till this catches on, there be comp claims all over the place.
  7. El Rojo

    El Rojo Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't it be hard to get worker's comp if you are deported or are we going to forward their checks to a foreign address??? This is good. As soon as they go on assistance, you call La Migra and have them picked up! :evil: Then they will be back next week, but suddenly feeling much better and working again.
  8. ALHunter

    ALHunter Well-Known Member

    Illegals getting workers' comp benefits is nothing new. They have been able to do so in GA and AL for years now. There are multiple other states granting them this benefit. Why be surprised out of CA.? CA. is offering illegals in-state tuition at CA. schools. That IS a direct burden on taxpayers. Workers' comp benefits are only indirect burdens on taxpayers in the form of higher comp insurance premiums.

    The only way it will change is for the workers' comp insurance carriers to put provisions in the policy that they will not cover indemnity or medical benefits for illegals. A problem arises, however, in proving they are illegal. An employer can always claim good faith in reviewing the I-9 documentation submitted by the illegal (assuming the employer got the I-9 info). In depositions and interrogatories with injured workers if you ask if they are here legally, if they have a visa, etc., they just asert the 5th Amendment right to refuse to answer. Makes it tough to get conclusive proof they are illegal.
  9. BSlacker

    BSlacker Well-Known Member

    Workers Comp is an insurance policy not a State paid program. Very little tax dollars go into this program and little goes directly to the participant. The State administers the activities of the program and that is paid by the participants (mostly employers pay for the admin). So if the illegal paid premiums out of their wages they bought insurance, simple. There is a huge fence to jump over to get benifits and they don't give you a check, money is paid directly to the medical provider providing a huge number of well paid jobs for citizens. Fraud is rampant, but mostly by citizens of the state.
    What you are thinking about is unemployment insurance or disability insurance where money is paid directly to the participant to make up for lost wages. Both insurance programs are paid for by the employer and employe and admined by the State in much the same way as the Workers Comp program. These are State programs that have to make up any short fall in revenue to pay claims and this is where the State taxpayers get the shaft. Nowhere are there requirements that one be a citizen to participate in these insurance programs. There may be papers needed to get the job in the first place but not for the programs. You get in with a job from an enrolled employer and you pay you play. So the court was right for now. Lets just change the law. :)
  10. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    "Just change the law"?:what:

    But, but taking responsibility for the law would mean we could not blame the CFR, the UN, Haliburton and George Bush and wring our hands about "ein volk, ein reich . . .", er, I mean our border, language and culture.

    Attempting to change the law would an admission that we are responsible for the law being written the way it is in the first place. I for one would rather blame some sort of scapegoat or bogey man.:p
  11. R.H. Lee

    R.H. Lee Well-Known Member

    Employers are required by law to provide worker's compensation insurance at their expense for employees. The purpose is to pay medical expenses for on the job injuries. Why should any employer be exempted from this requirement and rewarded for breaking the law and hiring illegals in the first place? You know damn well that employers who 'hire' illegals are probably paying them 'off the books' anyway to avoid employment taxes (and probably at substandard wages). Why reward bad, illegal behavior? These employers need to be sanctioned, exposed and fined within an inch of bankruptcy, if not jailed also.
  12. longeyes

    longeyes member

    One more opening for scams. One more form of stealth welfare for Mexico and Central America winked at by the elites here.

    Should, yes. But won't. We are way, way beyond "should."
  13. Camp David

    Camp David member

    Best be careful...liberal attitude toward illegals may give them YOUR job too, in addition to medical assistance and protections!

    Write your Congressman... demand answers!

    This attitude toward criminals is wrong. Yes illegal aliens are criminals; they broke the law. We have laws on immigration; they chose not to follow them. Companies are also breaking the law by hiring them. Since when did breaking the law subject them to national pity?

    We are a nation of immigrants from others lands. Most immigrated here legally, following the rules at the times. We shouldn't just stop following the rules, or giving aid to those that do!

    Consider: If an illegal alien breaks into you home, kills your family, and leaves, police do not have that person in their database, making this person difficult or impossible to identify. If the unlikely event happens and this person is found after deed, what's to prevent this person claiming diplomatic immunity from the deed? How's nothing sound?

    We don't have an illegal alient "problem" in this nation; we have an illegal alien "crisis" and to date we are doing nothing about it.

    Write your Congressman... demand answers!
  14. NCP24

    NCP24 Well-Known Member

    These people aren’t criminals or illegal aliens! They are hard working less fortunate souls who just want to better themselves. Shame on you for not showing compassion and charity to these poor, poor people..

    One sec- I have to go puke, been reading too much of the Left-wing Hand book.
  15. Master Blaster

    Master Blaster Well-Known Member


    Farmer Brothers are the scumbags who are hiring these folks instead of American Workers. They do it because its cheaper and there is no penalty to their bottom line. Now they will be required to pay more money for their workers comp insurance if the policy does not exclude folks who are not legal ( it probably excludes them because the premium is based upon the amount of their official reported to the state payroll illegals are not included). Farmer Bros. will have to pay the injured worker and the hospital directly, instead of him going into the emergency room and the hospital adding it to the overhead they charge folks with insurance like you and I.

    The dirtball who hired the illegal gets to pay though the Nose, Sounds good to me.

    Too bad immigration will not go through their plant and fine them $100,000 for every illegal working there. Thus reimbursing the state rather than taxing you and I to pay for the illegals these A-holes hire.

    The result is that the A-holes will not be inclined to hire illegals that you and I have to subsidize, No jobs for illegals NO ILLEGALS CROSSING THE BORDER.

    They have to hire americans or those here legally, and pay all the costs associated with them, rather than spending their money on a fancier car, a boat and vacations in VAIL.
    A good thing;)
  16. bad very bad

    we ae going to see a rise in "illegals" now i live here in texas and they are everywhere you wlk down the street and they blare music in lagues other than englsi to say he least and the ythink that they are owed something i tried to find a job but got turned dow nfor a illegal in all seriousness they can work for half the pay. my grandmother died about a year ago before she was even goan a month the house was sold by my aunt to a reltor noiw there is about 9 illegals living in it around here people see the oppertunity he rents the hoouse they get caught and shipped back 10 more take their palce america will soon be run by people in foregin countrys if you ask me and i am trying to keep this clean for family uses but certain countries have thsi planned to immagrate a larg number of it's citezens to this country le them buy land and then after they own enough jsut simply take over
    tell us to leave. another thing i saw two days ago i went to walmart to look afor a ruger 10/22 and there was a guy and his wife there buying a gun and they were selling it to him the only thing i really didnt like was the fact he ws not a us citizen he was a mexican citizen now is this right to sell guns to people from foregin countries? i dont think so jsut my oppion
  17. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Considering one driver in five in the People's Republic of California doesn't bother carrying car insurance, I think it would be amusing if one employer in five didn't bother to carry workers' compensation insurance.

    Sauce for the goose, you know...
  18. c_yeager

    c_yeager Well-Known Member

    Hello pot, i would like to introduce you to this here kettle.
  19. wingman

    wingman Well-Known Member

  20. garyk/nm

    garyk/nm Well-Known Member

    So immigration status can't be used to determine eligibility, so what?
    What can be used is whether or not premiums have been paid for the employee. Insurance companies, not being well known for their generosity, will simply check to see if premiums have been paid; no payment, no claim. Simple.

    Or am I way off base? (again):neener:

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