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Caliber wars!

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by ThatGiantMidGet, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. ThatGiantMidGet

    ThatGiantMidGet New Member

    So caliber wars anybody?

    I love 9 mm and .45 But I think the .40 Is where It's at.

    Just Watch this Video about James Yeager Dissing the .40

    and then watch this video which Is what I believe (basically out of somebody else's mouth (because im kinda lazy right now to type that much) LOL
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2013
  2. TennJed

    TennJed New Member

    The more views he gets, the more money he stands to make. Why link him? You are doing exacetly what he wants you to do
  3. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    That's about it.
  4. 2zulu1

    2zulu1 Active Member

    Who's Yeager?
  5. PO2Hammer

    PO2Hammer Active Member

    who cares?
  6. beeenbag

    beeenbag New Member

    I wasn't really impressed by either. Neither one showed any evidence of their arguement. It was all just one guys opinion.

    Basically one guy says, that 40 wears out your gun and doesn't offer enough of a power advantage to deal with the extra recoil.

    The other says the 40 offers enough of a power advantage to deal with the extra recoil.

    Pretty common knowledge stuff really ( in our world ). I can't believe that capacity was never brought up.
  7. Roadrebel98

    Roadrebel98 New Member

    I still believe in the .45acp, just my personal favorite..
  8. ThatGiantMidGet

    ThatGiantMidGet New Member

    .40 Is Just not complimented enough :(

    I personally love the .40 Its a mix of 9mm and .45 acp

    .40 has higher velocity than .45 acp

    .40 = Good expansion (in cheap stuff) and great expansion in high quality loads.

    .40 has about the same capacity as 9mm (usually -1-2 bullets less)

    I dont get why people don't like the .40 S&W more :/

    It's basically a little 10mm bulldog...
  9. ThatGiantMidGet

    ThatGiantMidGet New Member

    Either way hes Gonna Get Views and money If hes on that side of youtube. I personally don't care I Just wanted to show you Guys the pros of the .40 (and by using a video I don't have to type as much) It's called being lazy
  10. PO2Hammer

    PO2Hammer Active Member

    You'll have to understand that most of us are bored to tears with caliber wars. Not exactly a fresh subject.
  11. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D New Member


    Naw, same ol same ol...
    Some platforms (guns, types systems...)
    work better with some calibers than others...
    as for the rest, much like your underware, it's a personal opinion, and vary varied
  12. evan price

    evan price Active Member

    Yeager? Isn't he that internet tough-guy who got his CCW license yanked because he didn't know when to shut his gob? Yea, he's an expert on ballistics I'm sure.
  13. CDW4ME

    CDW4ME Member

    There is no such thing as a caliber war.

    If you want more smaller bullets get a 9mm (Glock 19)
    If you want slightly bigger bullets, and are willing to decrease capacity, get a 40 (Glock 23)
    If you want the typically biggest bullet available in a pistol, and are willing to futher decrease capacity, get a 45 (Glock 30)

    It's a decision / compromise not a war.
  14. scaatylobo

    scaatylobo Active Member

    Shot placement

    I own and carry all handgun calibers.

    Its SHOT PLACEMENT ,that is THE only thing that matters.

    Caliber is a bunch of hoo haw.

    A miss with any caliber is a waste of ammo and a possibly injured/dead innocent.
  15. Bikewer

    Bikewer New Member

    Our department (like a large number of police agencies) has been issuing the Glock 23 (.40) for about 15 years.
    None of our officers have any trouble with the weapon, from big, strong males to relatively petite females.

    I think it's an excellent compromise. I don't find the recoil punishing at all....

    When the caliber first began "hitting the streets" as a police round, agencies using it reported excellent results. A high percentage of "one shot stops"; equal to the previously-issued (in most cases) .357 revolvers.

    I continue to be unimpressed with the "shot placement" arguments. Yes, if you can bisect junior's aorta with your .380.... Likely he will go down with due haste.

    Performing that feat under actual combat conditions is liable to be....Unlikely.

    The history of police gunfights indicate a 25% hit rate through most all the decades such incidents have been analyzed. That's "hits" on the person, not the vital bits.
    This regardless of training. We now know of the numerous physical and psychological effects of the stress of combat.
    People involved in shooting incidents tend to suffer from target fixation, tunnel vision, loss of fine motor control, loss of hearing..... And others as well. They normally cannot say how many rounds they fired.

    And that doesn't take into account the realities of the circumstances. One thing to engage a nicely-lit, stationary target at a nice, comfortable shooting range.
    Another to engage an actual shooter in a dark alley who might be moving or hiding behind a dumpster.
    In actual combat, instead of "shot placement" you might have to "settle for what you can get."
    So....IMO... A peripheral hit with a bigger slug is more likely to be debilitating than a peripheral hit with a little one.
  16. Zardaia

    Zardaia New Member

    Unless you CC a .500 s&w. Then i would think any hit to the torso's pretty much end of fight. Of course, wearing a parka to cover it up may look kinda odd in fl. .45acp ftw
  17. Skribs

    Skribs New Member

    A few things I hate seeing in caliber war threads...
    1) Shot placement is key. With very few exceptions, shot placement is going to be similar between 9, .357 sig, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. The only time it won't is if you can't handle the recoil (a valid possibility, especially for smaller shooters).
    2) It's the gun you have with you that matters. This argument makes sense if you're getting mugged, that the 9mm on you is better than the shotgun at home. However, when you're selecting carry hardware, "the gun you have with you" is the gun you planned ahead to bring.
    3) People who disagree with me (okay, kidding on #3).

    Personally, I've approached caliber wars in a few different ways. First I asked "what's best?" Then I said "I think this is best." Now I'm looking at things and wondering if a 10-round limit would affect my consideration, and it probably would be. I'd be more likely to carry a small 6-7 round pistol if limited to 10 (instead of comparing it to a 15+ round pistol), in a compact carry pistol I'd be more likely to opt for .357 sig or .40 S&W, and in a duty pistol I'd be more likely to pursue .45 ACP.

    As it is right now, I prefer 9mm. The ratio of expanded-to-original diameter is bigger with 9mm than .45 (compare 0.65 to 0.36 vs. 0.77 to 0.45, which is the average of what I've seen from gel tests or 80% increase vs. 71%), and the difference in size isn't all that great. Capacity is the biggest factor for me, but cost and recoil play a big part as well.

    Zardaia, I wouldn't be so sure. Look at the woman recently who shot an attacker 5 times in the face with .38 spc, the rounds penetrated down through the man's torso. (She was hiding in the attic with her kids, explaining the downward trajectory. Hit with 5 of the 6 rounds in her revolver). The fight stopped, but only because the attacker gave up. According to reports he was begging her to stop shooting and left the scene of his own accord, only to be found by authorities after crashing his car. Granted, .38 is a bit weaker than even 9mm, but you would still think 5 shots to the face would put someone down right there.
  18. ThatGiantMidGet

    ThatGiantMidGet New Member

    Sorry Guys Im a lil fresh to this website (newbie) :neener:

    Anyways some people Got something out of this Thread (Mostly me)

    So I'm happy.
  19. easyg

    easyg New Member

    I disagree.
    Shot placement is king, no doubt about it.
    But the round must be able to penetrate deep enough to reach vital organs and vessels.
    A round that cannot reliably penetrate heavy winter clothing, or a round that is easily deflected by even the smallest of bones, is not a round I'm willing to stake my life upon.

    True. But a hit with an ineffective round can still get you killed.

    When it comes to handguns I'm content with .45 ACP, .40 S&W, .357 Sig, 9mm Para +P, .357 magnum.

    Last edited: Jan 28, 2013
  20. Ehtereon11B

    Ehtereon11B internet infantryman

    Calibers have their place. I have 9mm, .40, and .45s. In general the 9mm are smaller, easier to conceal, more comfortable in hot weather. The .40 are midsized and more balanced. The .45 are bigger for when you go to that section of town that just doesn't feel right. Carry as much gun as you feel like carrying. With modern ammo choices, 9mm/.40/.45 are ballistically closer than they have ever been. A high end 9mm+p round will penetrate deeper and expand than a .40 or .45 target load would.

    How I feel about Yeager is not very High Road. But I will say I don't like him. Anyone who uses that man as a guide for anything needs to stay away from firearms because he uses bad advice.

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